Dr. Connie Omari
Hello, hello. Hello, this is Dr. Ho. Welcome to the Black Marriage and Family Therapy Matters podcast for black families and black therapists. Today’s guest is Tish Hi, Tish
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Hello. How are you doing today? How are you doing, Dr. Morrow?
Dr. Connie Omari
I am doing great. How are you?
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
I’m doing great. Thank you for having me here today. Good, good. Good.
Dr. Connie Omari
So if you don’t mind, give me a second. I would like to introduce our guests who use that. Okay,
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
That’d be great. Yes, ma’am.
Dr. Connie Omari
Fantastic. This is Tish. Tisch is a relationship coach who works exclusively with men. With years of experience helping men navigate the complexities of relationships. Tish has developed a deep understanding of the unique challenges that men face when it comes to love, intimacy, and communication. In addition to her work as a relationship coach, Tess is a pharmacist with a focus on mental health. That’s exciting. So you’ve got to tell us more about that. Touche has extensive knowledge of mental health and its impact on relationships, which allows her to provide clients with a holistic approach to improving their love lives. Tissue style is based on a blend of evidence-based research, real-world experience, and compassionate guidance. Tisch believes that every man has the potential to build strong and fulfilling relationships. And she is committed to helping her clients unlock that potential. Whether her clients are struggling with communication, intimacy, or any other relationship issue, Tish is here to help. Her goal isn’t to empower her clients with the tools and insights that they need to create the happy, healthy relationships that they deserve. Please join Tish today as she talks more about what she does.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Wow. Wow, wow,
Dr. Connie Omari
wow. So tell us first. Let me just say that I can’t help but notice that you are beautiful.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Thank you. You are today. Awesome. Thank you. Thank
you.
Chocolate happened.
Dr. Connie Omari
But unlike me and our other guests, I’ve never had a pharmacist on the show. Or know more about that. And too. I want to know more about what got you into working with black
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
men. Gotcha.
Dr. Connie Omari
I mean, yes. Just very aware. So start with the pharmacist, and then let’s go to black men and coaching.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Okay, so I’ve been a pharmacist for almost 30 years, almost 30 years.
Dr. Connie Omari
Me. So I won’t discuss this month too much. But you just told me you had a kid in college? Yes.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
I really like her cream signing my creams. Talk about it. Yeah. So I’ve been in the pharmacy service since I was 16 years old. So actually, as a pharmacist technician, I’ve been doing this for a long time. So I went to school at MUSC and in Charleston, South Carolina, so you can hear my Geechee accent. Some people say I’m from the north because I’m trying to cover it up. But today I have a sister with PBV and a real, solid, authentic self. Here we go. There we go. Yeah, so, um, I
Dr. Connie Omari
I just had a love for medicine. I mean, still, like,
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
I’m going to be honest with you. I went into pharmacy because my only two options at 16 were to go to work at the local Burger King or work at the local pharmacy. From a very small town close to Charleston, South Carolina. Beg the manager at the pharmacy: please let me work, please. I promise I’ll be a good girl. I worry that you know being 16 means he’s like, yeah, whatever. So I just kind of stuck with it. Ever since I was 16, I was the only professional, the only thing I’ve ever done.
Dr. Connie Omari
Oh, yeah. All the way. Yeah. Yeah,
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
yeah. So it was more like a challenge, you know, just coming from a small town and not seeing any other African American pharmacists. You know, and to be honest with you, even though I didn’t work with any other African Americans, the pharmacists I did work with really pushed me, you know, being from a small town, and everything they do, you know, understand the country girl in me, and they just really pushed me to move forward. You know, I gave me all of the help and stuff like that. So, you know, they’re my family and stuff like that. They were always into education and stuff. So
Dr. Connie Omari
yeah. Why don’t you want to perpetuate stereotypical tight loot? Definitely not on this show, but do you get a lot of black men? We just had an issue in our family with a black man who had an issue. Clearly he had this issue, but you know, he didn’t say anything about it until the last minute, and it’s just completely out of his control. So I just grew up thinking that black men don’t really monitor their health care like that. Is that? Is that what you see? Or I just
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Yeah, well, it’s more so that men in general are into self-care and health care because it’s more of a feminine trope. Okay. Yeah. So it’s more of a social norm now for black men. So anytime you deal with races or courses, you will make a mistake. You know what? I’m going
Dr. Connie Omari
pass this.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Yeah, so it’s both basically a man thing where they, you know, see self-care as being feminine, you know, like a feminine thing, as I was saying, but, of course, where there’s, you know, the issue of race, of course, there’s going to be the socio-economic factor, because of the assets, because of the, you know, just being able to have the freedom of mind. As black people, we don’t have that luxury of thinking of every little nuances in our lives. You know, even though we have bigger problems going on with our health, we are trying to just keep our jobs going. But he’s trying to, you know, deal with a toxic work culture on top of trying to, you know, keep our families afloat and stuff of that nature. So, even though it’s a man thing when it comes to not getting the proper health care that is needed, you know, getting prescriptions, I mean, I do see, man. Where are they supposed to get their high blood pressure medication? And because of the Money Act?
Dr. Connie Omari
Yes. I thought, you know, what? I thought you were going to say it because of the sex factor, too, because I was into that.
We don’t want to mess with that.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Right? Yeah. So they don’t want to pick the back Agra over there, but they don’t understand the fact. If they take care of the high blood pressure, they probably won’t have the issue that’s causing the need for the Agra in the first place. Oh, that’s why I’m here to kind of bridge the communication gap and give the agency of Listen, guys, especially my man, because all talk was Listen, okay, you know, you have a high blood pressure, you know, right, right. You know, if you want your wanker to work properly, Let’s take care of the problem. underlying root cause of the problem. Yeah.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah. I love it. What role, and we’ll probably go into this next transition into your work with black men. Because you have a question, what role does marriage play into this? Because I hear that men who are married have higher probabilities of going to get checked out and getting the treatment that they need more or less because they have someone to live for. Is it that we’re always on our men to go to the doctor, you know?
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
what I mean? Marriage brings structure. Okay, whenever you don’t have structure in something, you have chaos. So marriage brings structure; the men who are married are the ones with the most money, the healthiest ones, and the happiest ones. So that whole structure of having a marriage as a unit means we weren’t brought here to be alone, even back in the stone age. We were always in pairs, you know, the woman to be protected and a woman to look after the men to do things while the men were out hunting and doing what they needed to correct a home. So we weren’t designed to be alone, so marriages, it’s not like I tell the men that I work with marriages, everything works on your marriage, keep things going, because working at a pharmacy, I see so many times two things. One, when a man is married and they get older, because, you know, I’ve been doing this for a while. So, you know, if I’m in a location long enough, I’ll see the progression of big and good, and all of a sudden, you know, down, down, down, and then it’s the warmth of Agra, like stopping where it was something else. And then to see where they’re, you know, they were married and the wife should happen to pass away first or something. And you could tell that wife was really their foundation because they’re just, you know, mentally gone. You know, physically, they’re not taking medications anymore, or they just don’t care if they just look right. You just tell me that last month, well, I have noticed with the women who lose their husbands early, they seem to thrive because the men don’t practice self-care for themselves, and the woman is pouring so much into the husband’s resources. All of these are, as I said, right or wrong, but that’s from my observation. And that’s what I’ve seen in my 30 years of being in a pharmacy.
Dr. Connie Omari
makes a lot of sense.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
I mean, have you noticed that the women
Dr. Connie Omari
People’s perspective, it’s because I always wonder, you know, I think from behavioral health exclusively, and I know that men tend to benefit more from marriage in general, whether it’s health care, whether it’s having a killing house, whether it’s a house that might take care of your children’s, they benefit more than women, we actually invest more like we give more like it’s more. But the irony is that because I’ve worked with people generally in earlier stages, trying to get them married and exploring relationships and stuff like that, men are a lot more reluctant to get married. So what you don’t want to get is not a benefit, which is why I got to see you. If you like it, then you should have put a ring on it. You know?
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Why? Think because of feminism. Be honest with yourself. I’m just like, this, I’m a feminist, so 100%, but anything that is good, just like you know, masculinity, there’s nothing wrong with that. But there’s also a toxic masculinity. Oh, there’s also a toxic femininity cry. So
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah, feminine to be aggressive. Like, unless you’re trying to come from my children, you know? I might fight in other areas, too.
You know what I’m saying. I get it. Alright, you can be a powerful, assertive, strong-willed black woman. That’s your husband? And it’s
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
okay. It is okay. Yeah. It depends on what you want, like, you know, tell some women, Do you want to be right? Or do you want results? Do you want to be right? Or do you want results? You know, as in right, as in if I’m trying to give you my perspective on what you want and I don’t really, you know, coach women anymore. But it just depends on what your results are, you know, what your results are, the way you look? Right? That doesn’t necessarily make it right. But what is right for your situation? Does it make it conducive? Does it make your husband, not any man but your husband, respond to you in the marriage? With loans within reason, because, you know, like anything else, you can get out of the check if you spoil it, of course. But yeah, I saw, Do you want me, right? Are you seeing more results?
Dr. Connie Omari
What can you say about wanting to be right? And you want the results? But what about when the person you need to have results with also wants to be right and is now physically stronger than you? And he’s more like that toxic Mexican masculinity. We’re just talking about, like, can you speak a little bit more? If you want that submissive, docile side of us, How does it show up so that he can get that? So that’s all I love about the
whole of the podcast.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
This is a thing, and it is in? You know, we’re speaking about our brothers, of course, but this is our cross with men across the board. If you want a woman to show up a certain way, don’t worry about her. Okay, that is how you show up. Yeah, how are you? Yeah, me? And how are you going to show up? Because how many eternal shifts can you make to get the result you want because you can’t control your woman? You can’t control another person, but you can control how you want things to go. So in my main quote, I like to say now that if you want a great relationship, you have to start off by being a great person. So you cannot be a toxic individual. And resisting wants healthy, loving, great results. Okay, this is all there is to it. So you have to have self-awareness. Be aware of yourself; be aware of what you want certain toxic behaviors to do to you. It’s just like I said: do you want to be right or do you want results? You know, you want to be right in your own head, or you want to get results that are healthy and whole for the whole family, and you will be happy in return.
Dr. Connie Omari
So and that is probably what’s going to get us more into our We kind of more talking about black men in general because I don’t get the impression that they typically even think are aware that what they’re doing is part of the problem, you know, and I’m not excusing our behavior either, but because I shall see is on black man we met met
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Men are the foundation. Okay. I mean, I don’t know how you feel. Absolutely. But I don’t know, but the book to me on my wall stops with a man. I believe that the man comes first after God. And okay, all right.
I do agree. Okay. A lot of women
as well,
Dr. Connie Omari
but I do.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
You know, God, man, woman mode, a wife, and then the children. Okay, so that’s why I work with the men because I feel like I have a gift for really communicating in a way that they don’t find threatening. But it’s in a way where they don’t dismiss me either, because I’m just trying to get you the results that you desire. Okay. As a woman, we don’t give you the world. Yes, we will give you the walk; we will get the men; our men will see how they can almost get the world without having to marry us. So just do the right thing. And it’s not about marrying. It’s about your mindset. Okay, so it’s not about marrying a woman and giving her benefits. It’s about marrying a woman and building your legacy. Okay, so what do you want? You have to think ahead; a woman is a part of your legacy, and we’re the ones going to give you that freedom of mind to go out and conquer the world. And we’re going to give you that freedom of mind. Because we are at home taking care of your children, we are outworked, and we’re still staying home. But it’s all about you, so I think our core problem is that our men are not really big and getting married; they’re not legacy-minded, to be completely honest. And you have to be legacy-minded to see the benefits, the joys, and the love of having that woman in your life.
Dr. Connie Omari
Now, let me ask you: is this the man’s fault? Like? I mean, of course, at some point, we do have to take responsibility for ourselves. But we also know that a lot of these men are growing up without fathers in the home; their fathers are in the criminal justice system. So their fathers see that some of them just left them.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
So
Dr. Connie Omari
This is what it sounds like. I mean, I’m just hearing you speak, and I agree with him hanging on every word of it. I agree with every word of it. It does seem heavy. Initially, for someone who does not know what you’re talking about, It looks like they’ve never
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
seen it. You know, that’s a good point. Because I always came from a two-parent home. And so that’s how I know and have the strength that I have. That’s why I can speak normally about the fact that God is my husband, man. Don’t get it twisted. I made a lot of mistakes. I’ve been married a lot. Even though I came from a two-parent home. I saw my father as saying, Because that came up when, you know, women were given that pushback, we’re not putting out what no crap. And as a young person, I misinterpreted those movements and those mindsets. And women, you know, that’s why there was, you know, the feminist movement, because we needed equality, okay? But if you hear a certain narrative that you think is toxic, So I thought maybe my dad was just trying to override those, that new wave of women supposed to, you know, just feel like he had too much control in the relationship. And what I realized was that it was protection. And now I realize from my relationships that I had good men, but they worked and were married, but they didn’t have fathers, so they didn’t really know how to be husbands. So back to my point about Iraq, to your point, your question of how do you know what you just don’t know? And you never see me? Why? Okay, so is it our fault? Is it the man’s fault? Um, it’s really no one’s fault. Unless you don’t take the time to do the education, It’s all about getting back to the mindset: what do you want? Like, I didn’t want to be that trashing woman that goes out and has a million husbands, even though I came from a better environment. So you have to take the time to know what’s right and wrong, where you want your legacy to go with your life, and then learn and build from that point. So for our men who don’t want to have the legacy, who don’t want the wife, even though they didn’t have a father figure, where might you say, What do you want? What’s your life? And so I still blame it on the men, because where’s your mindset? What do you want in life? If you don’t have a structure, where do you want to go? You can’t? Is that a woman’s fault? I also don’t blame the women, though, because we have to be accountable for the crap we put out with all of the things that we want, and we’re not getting married. Okay, yes, the man can choose the marriage factor in asking us to get married. But we need to understand why now you have three kids with
Dr. Connie Omari
You know what I’m saying? Like he’s shown you that’s not what he tried to do, if that’s what you want, why are you tolerating it?
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Right? Exactly. So why are we tolerating all of these anti-marriage behaviors if we want to get married? Okay, so um, you know, those like, I teach things, you know, told my man with guidance, you know, how, you know, if you put up with a woman treating you toxically or cursing you out all the time? How are you showing up? Are you putting up with it? Right? So why not? Why is she not going to keep doing it? She’s been doing it. Same thing with us. So if we want marriage and we need to do things right or wrong, they need to be boxed in, have structure, have boundaries, have standards, and have expectations. And as women, especially black women, I don’t think we have enough of that. We weren’t really great, not raised, but from slavery. Everything I just said is kind of based on slavery from
Dr. Connie Omari
wiping the slate clean. I remember thinking about my grandmother all the time before she died about a decade ago. She told me about her grandmother, who was actually asleep. So we talked about this, like, this is forever and forever ago. No, it’s
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
not that long ago.
Dr. Connie Omari
I know somebody who knew us late, was never close to us, and cared about us. So
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
why. I mean, yeah, so, but as black women, we’ve done a beautiful job of loving ourselves and finding ourselves to be absolutely beautiful. And that’s what our men need to do. Absolutely, as God and the gods, they need to do the same thing that we were able to do.
Dr. Connie Omari
And thank you. And that’s what I wanted to kind of go into next because, unlike you, I came from a divorced household. So my parents were not together. For me. They were on and off. But, um, my dad, like you, was very aggressive. You said yours was protective. I think if some
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
that weren’t as aggressive. Let me clarify it: he has grown, he has grown, and I appreciate that now. If he stayed on as someone who spoke up, then I loved him, but he took the time to grow. And as humans, we all evolve and grow if we want to be better with
Dr. Connie Omari
time. Oh, yeah. Good. Good.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
So that’s why I came back around. Yeah, I need to clean it up.
Dr. Connie Omari
On the flip side, though, my mom was very passive. So for me, it left a very bad taste in my mouth. And I want to say, just for the nuclear relationship, that the fact that I am in this ideal marriage with two children is actually a miracle because I didn’t want anything to do with it as a child. And I recognize that just in hearing you talk, I did see the brokenness and blackmail, like I knew, and without being oversharing, I knew that my dad’s behavior was coming from a place of hurting the image of people because they’re smaller or weaker, or, you know, something wrong with you. I could pick that up as a child. The message it sent me was, I don’t want to be like my mom; I love her to death. She’s great. She’s awesome. But I didn’t want to be, you know, like that. And so when I first started dating, yeah, I started talking about mistakes and talking about, you know, just the learning curve.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Right? Yeah. So I went through the same thing. Yeah, I’ve been married three times. Yeah, I went through a learning process. I mean, because of the dynamic between my mom and my father, but also because of the dynamic between my mother and father, I came back full circle because they’re grown. Because I’ve seen them grow, you know. So
Dr. Connie Omari
I hope the people who are hearing this can say one thing I want to give both of my parents credit for: If they’re in a situation like this with your parents, I think it’s the first of all. Even we are going to ruin our children in some way, shape, or form. Like your children are older than mine, but your mind will tell me you did it. Or, you know, I mean, you know, any opportunity like we were not perfect people, right? We’re not because my parents let me know that they had made mistakes, and then the help didn’t know what they were. So that’s not rational, or I shouldn’t let that happen. Or you
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Know what I mean? Why that helps
Dr. Connie Omari
It was so healing because I could say, Okay, this happened because my parents were not perfect. Not because that’s the way it’s supposed to happen. Or that anything?
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Yeah. My mom would say the same thing. She would be like, You know, you know, me and your dad, we may have done this or that, but I just want you to know it wasn’t right, and that made me see them from, you know, a human perspective, and that did change the trajectory of my mindset, even though my mom told me this as I got older. But you know, because when we’re children growing up, we think everything’s supposed to be status quo; you know, we’re a little more stringent; we follow a more rigid system; you know, it’s supposed to be like this; what’s wrong with you? But as we get older, we make mistakes. We’re like, Oh, God, Hola, what’s the what about my parents? You know, my mom was a little girl. So maybe that’s why she reacts the way she does to my dad; he was a little boy once; maybe, you know, so everything just comes full circle, you know, it really does so, but taking the time to lock into giving perspective and introspection to the situation That’s where you have to do it. Work is, and that’s what we do as women, but as guys, the guys need to do, and maybe that’s a part of, you know, the clinician part of it? Is that part of self-care? You know, getting into that mindset, you know, yeah,
Dr. Connie Omari
I would assume so. I mean, I don’t work a lot with men, but
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Now, just in general,
Dr. Connie Omari
General. Yeah, I would say so. But you have to have the insight to see it. And I think both genders have really been inundated with the pressures and demands of survival. You know, I mean, back in the day, when I was growing up, I don’t even know if my dad had the time to think about how to be emotionally available for his family.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Exactly.
Dr. Connie Omari
I don’t think he could have handled it. I mean, maybe he could have, you know, softened his tone the way he talked to us a little bit. But, you know, he had an addiction that he’s battling, and then he had, you know, work. And then he had other barriers: family. I mean, I don’t, you know, and I’m not making excuses, but I’m not
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
just this crap. So much crap has been passed down. That was, I mean, the honest way we’ve ever had a time where we could just come relax and have a family, it was always about surviving. And I’m not into excuses per se. But I just feel like it is what it is in other communities; they get to, you know, say that we have a genetic problem with mental health in issues of blah, blah, blah. So why can’t we have that too? As African Americans, we can’t have that. So you know, we have to stop and start from day one. Okay, what’s wrong with you? Day one? No, what about day, you know, negative years ago, centuries ago, you know, so yeah, so our dynamic is different. But with platforms like yours and my phone, we have opportunities to learn and grow. And you know, we have more economic opportunities where we can make our own way, like you and me are doing, so we can have the freedom to think. They have the clarity of mind to think certain things and grow perfect.
Dr. Connie Omari
I just want to make sure we let our audience know that I am going to get into what you do as well, because I want them to be able to find you. When we’re off, you know, when you’re off of this show, or you find me, I’m joining us. Awesome. If you could just come up with one thing, like, if no one else is listening, take from this show, what would it be?
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
What are you saying? You said that in order to be a great person, I’d have a great relationship, you know, just be a great person. Yes, I noticed that people aren’t aware of themselves; they’re dead. Stop, focus, get your center, and be aware of who you are as a person and how you can make yourself a better person. And if you start with that, that will literally help with every other aspect of your life. Also, you know, I know you mentioned with your father going through addiction; you know, I’ve gone through addiction myself because I had open heart surgery and stuff like that. And, um, you know, just in giving no pain pills and stuff like that. So it’s just all about taking the time to dig in deep. You know, just dig in deep, be aware of yourself, and grow from it.
Dr. Connie Omari
Love it. So, I wonder, and I don’t know if, as a pharmacist or coach, this is within your scope of practice, but I hear you talking about this very well. I deal with respect to the idea that to go nine to know your own self, be true to your own self, and basically know yourself, you’d be better. But what I noticed is that we can see our culture if we really want to be real with it, and I’m more connected than a lot; my husband’s African; you know, we’re naturally more artistic and a different word. And we’re getting out there and doing things that we can’t necessarily be taught or trained for at school. But we’re in this Eurocentric world, where, to some degree, even I’m battling myself. We’re told that our creative ambitions, you know, are great, but they’re not math. It’s not science. It’s not evidence-based.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
I mean, is that true, though? I mean, from our history, we came up with the mathematics. Yeah. So,
Dr. Connie Omari
I mean, it’s stuff, that part. But from what I’m hearing you say, the more aware a person is of themselves, the more they need to tap into that. So that’s what I was going to ask, like, Do you have any suggestions that I know I am clear on right now? Well, this is a candle. But sometimes I have an incident, like when I’m a little nasal. So I don’t do that. But on a Friday, I have my, you know, journals, and I need these things to be functional. And that’s what helps me be clear on who I am and show for all the best. But wait, what tools do you suggest that our community tap into that they can use to make sure that they’re doing it? Because it is hard when you have to be at work? By nine, you wake up at eight and get the kids ready? Yeah, we’re about a third of the way there. You don’t have any type of team? You know, everything’s sure. You don’t really just sweat real quick. Can you speak to this? I mean, right. To have clarity. Yeah, I
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
I mean, just working with a lot I mean, just like you work with a lot of different people, And, you know, just growing up doing the same profession and seeing how people just progress or whatever, like that. I’m just having a feeling that, as I notice, people don’t have a foundation; they don’t have a baseline foundation. So, like me, I’m very spiritual. You know, I’m Christian-based. Everything is. So that’s my anchor. That’s, and that’s why I built up from so everything; you know, I’m always communicating with God throughout the day; you know, even when I do naughty things, and I do clearly have blonde hair, I like to do naughty things sometimes. You know, it’s not, you know, just, you know, listen to old you have blonde hair, like this is pulling the light crisis. You know, even when I’m not doing my best, I am communicating with God, like, Okay, I know for sure, you know, just, but that gives me a foundation for being self-aware. Okay. A lot of people don’t even shoot from the hip. They have. So even if you don’t believe in Jesus, if you don’t believe, then whatever, have some time. You know, if you want to believe in meditation, or whatever, like I said, my first choice could be Christianity. Of course, I’m a little biased. But you have to have some type of, you know, core in our everyday lives; it should not come from the hip; it should come from the gut, as you now know, in the gut in the heart in a company’s gut first because the heart can be deceitful, as it says in the Bible. But yeah, you people don’t have a foundation. So where do you reach deep from? Where do you come from? Like, what’s on your mind, you know? So you’re swayed by the media, you sway by an opinion, you sway by a feeling. But when you have a core foundation, whatever that is, then you have some type of barometer for staying in the middle. So that’s why I suggest that people have a strong foundation and just pick whatever they think it is, stick with it, and work it from the gut. Well, everything from that
Dr. Connie Omari
Are you familiar with the Bible app? On the phone? Yeah, yeah, perfect. And, you know, a lot of our clientele is actually Christian too. But what I was going to say was, What I like about it is that it gives you a devotional. Well, I thought about it because it doesn’t take a lot of time. I know, I don’t feel overwhelmed. If it’s going to be very hard or difficult, then I’ll be like, Ah, I can’t do it. But if you just spend some alone time with God—five minutes—you can get through one of those devotionals and read a couple of scriptures. And then journal. If he wants, he doesn’t take it; you don’t. He doesn’t just say you have to spend an hour getting up at 755 instead of eight, you know, start like that, right? Or maybe we’ll do 10 minutes or something. But, you know, if it’s not that you’re like, Can we just journal?” It didn’t have to be the app; why don’t you just get a meditation? You know, YouTube has types of meditations that you are going to integrate with, like you said, to be centered in your core so that when you show up, you’re the best person that you can be. You’re not your trauma, you’re not your abuse, and you’re not your parents. You’re not what’s happening to you right now, but you are an evolved person. I fully agree with that.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Right? Yeah, I mean, just be, you know, self-aware, and it just takes practice to be a good person, to be honest with you. lied to you. I mean, I would love to sing all my praises. It doesn’t work. I don’t know if that’s a bad thing to say I’m just being honest this is a lot of things is human is does not nor is more normal to have like five six different women or whatever that men like to do you know that they tried to say is nature but it takes structure and understanding and being self aware to know where you want to be as and having your leg up
and it may give me and I receive that receiver for five different T cell control
Dr. Connie Omari
That is what separates us from the animal kingdom. Okay, we have the ability first of all, but for some reason there is an indication
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Exactly. moral and ethical reasoning. There you go, perfection.
Dr. Connie Omari
in the animal kingdom. So, you know, I don’t like that either. But I’m glad you mentioned it, because that took me to the next point. I wanted to ask you a question. I was treating this client; this is blackmail, but I was treating. He was cheating on her. I mean, I’m talking about, you name it. He was doing it. Okay, and it won’t hurt her. You know what I’m saying? Hearing it, I was just like, Wow, you know, I just can’t believe she’s putting up with this and whatever. And he was like, No, she’s not. She’s not putting up with it. She’s leaving me, and it’s devastating. I don’t know what to do. You know, he’s just a ball. I mean, we never see her as very, very masculine. Like this masculine energy. You’re talking about 110%?
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Yes. Confused? Is that what it was? I won’t be confused, either. I mean, she was pregnant with it. So what wildly now? Because of what it was
Dr. Connie Omari
because did you think he just thought he could keep doing
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
it? What it was was part of society’s norms. They probably came from his father and his father. So he probably came from a culture of hurting. Yeah, luckily.
Dr. Connie Omari
I kind of understood it to be that I don’t think she would just let it happen. He did. But he told me stuff that she didn’t know. So she didn’t know everything. But she knew. She was like, This needs to stop. And he knew it needed to start, even I knew, so I wasn’t surprised when she left. You know, I was like, I’m not sure.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
But yeah, so he obviously had an underlining issue. Uh, why would he perpetually cheat? Why do you keep cheating? What is your problem? What do you need to feel to keep doing what you’re doing that you’re not getting? You know, but at the same time, see, that’s why I can’t work with women because they would hate me. You know, as a woman, you know, like, I don’t know, it’s like, how do you not be in tune enough with your man to have a lie or perpetual cheating going on? So that’s it, it goes back to self-awareness, because you can’t be aware of someone else if you’re not aware of your own self. You know, I mean, some people just like pieces of crap. You know, that’s just, you know, saying, but for him to come to you and want help That’s a good thing. So that was, yeah, a good thing. So you know, how many because most men just be like, I just get another chair. I just keep pushing And, you know, it could get
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah, I was just, I guess, because I’ve heard this so many times about men cheating and chronic women leaving that it’s just on the recipient to actually see the type of painting this man did. There was such a disconnect. Like he had no recollection. I mean, he knew he didn’t like them. She was cheating. But I mean, he was heartbroken. You would have thought somebody died in this life. Like, it was so hard to watch because I’m like, This man has no clue unless
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
He is a hardcore narcissist. And he was going through a Narcissus breakdown because she got tired of it and realized he wasn’t narcissistic. Maybe in her therapy, her therapist was like, Girl, he’s a narcissist.
Society is trying to shame us into accepting the narcissism factor, but it is a real thing. I mean, I don’t think it would be solved. I think no one is above reproach or above learning to be better, but I think it’s a real thing. I mean, we all have it in us, but how magnified we let it come out is a different story. You now have a solid case that he’s a stone-poor narcissist for him to be reacting and having a whole disconnect. And, you know, he tried to manipulate and do all the things, and it’s not working. So he’s freaking out. Now he’s trying to recruit someone to be an advocate—you know, that stuff. He’s getting help, though, because you help me get up bags.
Keep keeping, you know, keep going.
Dr. Connie Omari
Okay. I’m glad. I’m glad. I hope our guests see that, you know, because I think whether it’s a therapist or a pharmacist, or she’s going to help in general, I think we have a stigma that we’re just the stuffy step-up people who just, you know, but no, we actually really are human just like you all. I mean,
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
I do them. I
Dr. Connie Omari
You came from a broken home; you admitted that you had, you know, multiple marriages and things like that. Like me, you’re not perfect. Like we had, we came with our own stuff. And yeah, that’s about it. Joke about it and grow through it. And, you know, and that’s why
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
I mean, listen, what? Why don’t you go? And do you still live there? So make the best out of it? Yes, you’ve gone through crap. As they say, what’s the percentage? 70% of us have gone through trauma. But my question is, Who saw the 30% who haven’t gone 30%? By 70, we had all gone through it. I mean, I’ve never gone through anything DPD that you have experienced with your clients and stuff, but you know, we have one life versus making the best of it. And I think I didn’t finish my thought process earlier with it. You know, whenever you focus on other people, focus on a purpose that really is healing. It really is, you know, just like having a purpose and focusing on it. And that’s helping you grow and, you know, get all of the stuff that you’ve gone through, whatever. That’s the same thing with me. I mean, I dare want to find love again, or whatever. But a lot of people ask, Have you already been married three times? What’s wrong with you? In that? It’s like, Okay, I mean, I guess I made a mistake. I made mistakes. But I still, you know, my purpose has been with the art of wanting to keep moving forward, and I do have something to offer, and I am a good person. I made bad mistakes. But I’m still a good person; I’m aware of myself.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah, I haven’t gotten on this with the show yet. But I will by the time this is released. So we were talking earlier about even my cart’s incarceration just as a sample of people, and they have to deal with them. But the point is, who would we be? If we were to be in a bad situation, or less than ideal, Because these situations, I mean, are not necessarily bad divorces, okay? Like, incarceration, okay, is, you know,
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Live your life. You saw a lot, but you
Dr. Connie Omari
continue to show up. And we expect that those that are listening to us and following us, if we can do it, y’all can’t do it?
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Why not? Yeah, why not? Well, why don’t you go make your name miserable? And I mean, but do other people find something else to do? Like, you know, we were talking about the homeless; you know, that’s how I started my journey out of my addiction to opioids at the time or whatever, and I’m a pharmacist, and that was, you know, the very worst thing in the world. Yes. Oh, my no, but I focused on only, you know, the homeless; I focused on serving others. And that made me not care what people think; that made me care about myself. I want the best for myself, and I deserve it. We can just see how life goes. And people just cannot pick themselves up. And it’s so sad. It’s so sad to work with the homeless and see that, as women and black women, I’ve heard how they started off with a guy that God promised them the wall, and then, like this one gentleman, a homeless woman literally dropped her and her kids off at the central point of homeless people’s like, I’m not doing it. And now she’s homeless with kids, you know, saying, How can you pick yourself back up from that? You know, I mean, so it was easy to, you know, I could say when we had the strength, but some people just don’t have that strain. You know, but you know, if you have that, you know, just build up that core of self-awareness and desire to start with a purpose. Somehow, that connects you to this, and that connects you to that. I can actually do it by building you back up to a point where you can serve others yourself.
Dr. Connie Omari
So beautiful. All right. Can you think of an example where I had to ask for three resources, but if it’s too much, just one that we can point our black families or black men to to help the situation? Is there a podcast? Or do you tell us about your show?
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Um, definitely, yeah, my podcast, I’m just starting our new coaching as well as my Instagram page, but just, you know, we’re both very aware of the black family. And now it’s beautiful because you know why we don’t have to be fragmented. We don’t have to, you know, I love my black man i lowdown as, as they you know, just like, you know, you get on my nerves, but you know, I love them, you know, just, you know, I love my sisters, I see my sisters, you know, just, you know, so just in general, start off, like I said, with a foundation, you know, get your foundation, because, you know, there’s a lot of podcasts out there, there’s a lot of Instagram pages, there’s a lot of organizations that might not gel with you and may send you down the wrong path. But if you have your own strong foundation and core, you know, with your Christianity or your own meditation, you know, but always keep learning and always keep growing, Don’t stay stagnant.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah. Because I mean with me, hopefully, you know, some of the people listening to us have been incarcerated, but there are many who, you know, just help you’d never do but. But being incarcerated is all about taking your spirit and your joy and just feeling like you are not anything, like you have no self-worth or dignity. And I will say that, knowing myself, I don’t know how people get through it. If they don’t, right
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
And especially in your reaction, how did you get through that as an educated woman? You know, and it wasn’t easy. I know what you went through was not easy. You are a doctor, are you not? So it’s not like you went through, you know, the same plight as a white woman would have gone through. Yeah, they would go through some extra navigating. You had to go. Yeah, I did it because I had to go through this extra navigation here in a while. You’re just a quota. You know, all that crap that comes with, okay, sort of fight through all of that, and then be in a situation where you have to. Oh, okay, how did you? How did you? How did you?
Dr. Connie Omari
I found myself; this is temporary. I’d actually tell them, and they wouldn’t like it because that was considered disrespectful or defiant. Whatever. I think they use the word obstinate. I’m like, Okay, can you spell obstinate? but whatever.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
But,
Dr. Connie Omari
You know, it really was me. And that’s with any circumstance that you’re in. I told myself the same thing when I was a laborer, and I thought I was going to die because I thought my son was going to bust my body open. So this is temporary; this is going to end. And so I was telling myself the same thing, to be honest with you. And I’m going to talk about this more when I come out with my prison journey, because I’m going to go all into, you know, how this experience has helped me to be a better person. But, um, you know, you just have to do it. You can’t really; you don’t. I mean, you just have to know who you are. This is why I like what you’re bringing to the table: preparing for incarceration, going through a divorce, being targeted at your job, whatever it is. It’s a lot harder to find yourself in those seasons. I’m not saying that you can’t, but it’s harder. If you don’t already know. My whole life has been centered around having a strong identity. To my daughter. Now we do affirmations, we pray, she journals, she keeps a journal. Oh, I remember one time I called her from incarceration. I went to a state where Martha Stewart was; it’s called Camp Cupcake. It was the minimum. But when I called, she said, Mommy, I just sensed that it was you, you know, and I was just so impressed with that. Because I’m like, why? Since it’s like she’s aware. Yeah, ha. I really want my audience to see it. If you are going through a hard time, we’re not saying that it’s too late. We’re not saying that you can’t start, but start because whatever you’re going through now will give it to you. So get the practice so that when the FBI does knock on your door or when you know you are going through a divorce, when you’re having whatever issues you’re having, you are prepared.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Why is that like addiction? Like, you know, I’m a pharmacist and expect to have an addiction. I mean, I studied addiction, and you know, if I didn’t know who I was, I could have been down that rabbit hole beatdown. That’s the only thing that kept my head on straight. That is the only thing.
Dr. Connie Omari
book, I can teach you. There’s not a degree that can teach you anything; there’s nothing like you.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
awareness that nothing is nothing. And now no one can take it out, and they can’t take it away from you, but it’s yours to keep. So you’ve got to hold on tight to it. They took it away. They tried to do their job. So that’s why, yes, that’s a prime example.
Dr. Connie Omari
I really wish my husband was here to talk a little bit more about this. But one thing he does is because I know we’re trying to help black men, and I know sometimes black men struggle with this. One thing he doesn’t do is admire me; he even gets on because I like to talk on Chatterbox. Every morning, well, rain, sleet, snow, shy, whatever. First of all, he has a man cave; he just goes outside. And if I come in there, like complaining about the kids or the job, or whatever it is, to listen, but I even know, this is my husband’s a long time. I wonder what you are doing out there, but it is something that is between him and his maker. And that’s a way to be masculine, you know; I don’t expect him to be journaling. Not saying that journaling can’t journal. But that way, you know, he does take a stand on the importance of investing back into himself and why that is great, and I think that, you know, if there are black men listening now wondering how they can incorporate something as little as that will. I believe it makes a difference. I can tell when he has not had that break.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
And that’s so good. As a wife, because I hate to say it as a woman, and it’s not just black women, this is across the board. We don’t want men to have those times, so we nag them during those times. And then we wonder, like, what’s the matter? Like, why are they so angry? Oh, you know, just like, we need our girl time. We need our wait time. We need our time. We know when it’s our kind of month. So we are back, and we get our little self-care. Yeah, everyone knows to leave us alone during that time, you know, but men’s calendars are wide open, and whenever we can bother with them, So it was so good as a wife, because you don’t understand what you do. More than me
What’s your phone?
I love that. I really do love that. I mean, because you’re self-aware. And because you’ve folded with yourself, you don’t have to go out and get pulled off, or CAMI can pull himself up and come back together for your children. So that’s the main thing as black families: we’re doing it for our children. When mommy and daddy are happy, it helps our children out. Okay, so instead of having all the, you know, fragmented homes and stuff, you know, build a family together, build up a legacy. And that’s where we get our finances. And this is how we are more powerful as a community as the people, and it’d be taken seriously. Not going another type of Trump, but as a community, we are not being taken seriously because we don’t have the capital, you know, the money, the currency, or whatever. I’m trying to think of the word to keep you informed: to be taken seriously. That is what it is. It’s what it is, and we can’t do that without the black family. Without the black family. We
Dr. Connie Omari
don’t have to be consumers ever,
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
You know we are, so the money is there. We buy stuff. Yeah, the money is there. But what we do and what we give to other communities is fragmented because we don’t have that family structure like we should. And it’s not our fault. Is it listen, whatever people try to say slavery was a real thing? And just like anything that can be genetically passed down the line, Halsall has been passed down the line. But now that we have social media, we have podcasts. We have organizations like yours and mine, and we can be aware and move forward. The word is legacy. We build our communities; our men marry us, you know, women. Let’s not nag our men into war together and just have these amazing communities. We’re beautiful people. We are beautiful. And we find we don’t meet those standards. We haven’t gone. Yes,
Dr. Connie Omari
we are. Okay, we do need to transition. Well, we’re close. I want to ask this really quick question because is there a myth or something that you could think about in our community that you’d like to just debunk, like marriages, families, or men?
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
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That’s a good question. What can I debunk about the fact that we don’t appreciate family? I mean, we do appreciate family. And we came, and not all of us came from fragmented homes. I came from a good family. I came from a mom and dad; you say your parents were together, but you still speak of your father. He was still present. I mean, divorces are not uncommon in our communities, across the board. So you know that we appreciate family. We appreciate it. And we know what it’s about. And we would love our community. Yeah, I mean, I really don’t have a really good answer.
Dr. Connie Omari
I think people see our low marriage rates in our low success rates and think that’s because I actually found that in my dissertation as well. So that is the research. We want to know that we do want it. We don’t like it, and we don’t have the skills. We don’t have research on the tools. We don’t know how to do it. Right. Okay, we’re going to transition to a point, and part of the show is called What’s Good Now.” Okay. Give you a hypothetical situation, and, Oh, God.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Yes. Okay. This is fine. Okay.
Dr. Connie Omari
All right. So me, Joseph. Okay. Okay. Joseph is a 40-year-old man. Okay. Yes, he has two children with his wife.
These children he had
in his 20s. So they’ve been around for a while. But Joseph has a pattern of infidelity toward the person I was. But this is a hypothetical person. Recently, my wife received notification that there might be an extramarital affair—not only an extramarital affair but a baby. Se right. After years and years and years of just dealing with this and just the humiliation of bringing in a child to the scenario the wife has in society, it’s in the marriage. Joseph is devastated. Where would you start with helping Joseph?
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Um, well, I will make him very aware because I love working with men, but I love working with them because you can be very pragmatic and punch him in the chest. proverbial punch in the chest. I mean, it’s just self-awareness. It is what it is, like what you thought would happen. I literally know I mean, you’re looking clinician-armed as a coach. You know, so I’m not going to be as crafty with my words or craft, but it is what it is. So you know, what are you going to do? You can’t control her situation. But I will suggest this because, from what I’m hearing, she did stick around with the baby personally, which I always suggest meant they weren’t there for only two reasons not to. and chronic cheating. And chronic domestic abuse, well, domestic abuse—those are the only two things; everything else I’m like, Listen, we go riders to the wheels fall off. Again, I learned from my mistakes—two things you don’t leave on the table. That’s your marriage. And that’s money. Those two things are on the table. So yes, I really, really learned from my past experiences, and all of my mistakes really pushed for that. But so for him, if he wants to stand for his marriage, if he wants to fight for his marriage, I would help get him out. I will start working on his foundational issues on why he’s cheating and get to that. And while we’re doing that, he can do things to change himself and make himself more appeasing to the wife. And you know, if she decides to come back, okay, fine. But the beauty of standing for your marriages, which I do promote a lot, is that, you know, if the spouse doesn’t come back to you, you still end up being a different type of person because you have to give a certain type of submission; you have to be a different type of person, man or woman, to submit yourself to that process of standing for your marriage. And when I said stand for your marriage based on saying fight for your marriage, if he wants to fight for his marriage, I will support him 100%, but I will also make him accountable. Like, listen, do you listen? You did what you did. Cravaack on spilt milk. Now we’re going to move forward. Are we going to say, Okay so we do want to stand for the marriage or not? You okay? It just depends on what I do if you don’t want to stand for an American. We go get you out regardless, but whatever it is, we’ve got to get them out, and because being a chronic cheater is not being a great person. And then all you can do is say you want to get married again. So you need to clean it out now and not take that crap to a song while the woman is here, so let’s work on that while we are here. So that’s what I was suggesting to him—get himself out and get himself, right?
Dr. Connie Omari
Lawless, I love it. Well, Tish, you know,
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Before you go, what would you say about being a professional? And so, what would you say?
Dr. Connie Omari
Like you were saying, getting it was, What do you think’s going to happen?
This is not a client; it is actually somebody else with whom I have a personal relationship. But you know, I’ve had the beautiful because, at one point, I thought maybe the infidelity had stopped. So I was like, Oh my god, I see no. I mean, let’s go ahead. I mean, I’m not in the marriage, so I don’t know. But, um, I just remember being like, What, really? I was really disappointed in the person. So, you know, just being honest I mean, sometimes, you know, with men, it’s about education. So I think about how, maybe like my brothers, sometimes we have conversations, and he’ll tell me if I can’t talk to my husband about something, he can give me a perspective from a man’s point of view, right? I can assist women with printing when a man cheats on them. I know that for men most of the time, it’s because they are first of all sexual, not just physical. But in this case, I think, you know, I also know that he doesn’t have a good relationship with his mom and, you know, a lot of other stuff as well. Yeah. But some trauma probably But for women, it just makes us feel like the scum of the earth. Like, we’re just nobody,
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
We’re just, but that can be messy. And this is going to be unpopular, but the men are born with, you know, the desire to be good men. But I do have a course on this. But when a woman doesn’t have sex for months to a year,
Dr. Connie Omari
What do you think about education? You know, like, we know. I know I had somebody who just had sex for the purposes of procreation and watched them have babies.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Yeah, so I would actually find out what’s going on or whether she’s at fault at all, but you have to be accountable, man and woman, if you don’t have sex, and I have clients where these women will walk around and don’t want the man to cheat, actively checking the cell phones and everything, but won’t have sex with them for months to years. I literally have a client who walked out and has had sex with them for six years and was in Bristol checking his phone to make sure he wasn’t doing anything, so you know, as women, we don’t need sex like that. Okay, whatever I mean, I’d be personally, but whatever comes from Christian herself because we are self-aware, sex is spiritual, and sex is a need, okay? It’s not something that they can just shut off. That can be a two-way street if she’s not giving him sex. And he just sometimes makes a man more aggressive and wild, and he just gets extra crazy with it. You know, and it is
energy in a good way. Like,
You know, saying so? Yeah, but either way, he needs some cognitive behavioral therapy, honey, because he did a nice, deep clean.
Dr. Connie Omari
Okay, Tish, where can we go? Yes, first of all, you mentioned the podcast briefly. I know you are watching a program, and then you’ve got Instagram. Tell us information about how our guests can follow you because I know they’re going to want to work with you and
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
Okay, so yes, I have an Instagram page called Men’s Relationships and Health. So, of course, I would love the ladies to come on there. Because, you know, like I said, I’m a woman first. I’m not one of those women who puts men first, and I really just want results. I’ve seen a lot of crap going on with men, good and bad. And I just feel like I can really just give two perspectives for both ends to get the result because this is really for us, like we can get our men right and we can be happy because, you know, what is more important than relationships? What’s important in marriage? I mean, a lot of mistakes, but I understand that now what’s more important is marriage, which is so beautiful, and that’s the nest where our communities and our legacies come from, you know, and that’s what’s good for our children. But anyway, on my IG page, I also have a podcast that just started called Men’s Relationship and Health. My website is coming up and doesn’t progress. My number is 704-361-1363 to reach out, and then I can set appointments. I’ll work with men on the house because sometimes, you know, men just appreciate the fact that you’ve gone for your prostate exam or I didn’t think about it, and then once you get me on that trail, I’m on your
Brother, I’m on that fail list. We’ll nag you until you get it done. Okay.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah, we just went, I was saying earlier about a male in our family, you know, same thing just didn’t get on, and now it’s like, whoa, you know,
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
are like those chronic cheaters. They do get it, but what about vasectomy? You know, not the one that says marry, but the ones that say you can’t stay with one woman, they can’t, and they don’t understand why they don’t have a relationship, you know? So you know, if you have a Vietnam key, you don’t have a bunch of babies that they don’t have for those doors to you, oh man, that’s the ones that just haven’t figured out Burkinshaw upon them and stuff like that. Do you have two kids? I have three marriages if I do that; let’s get up a second at this point. I mean, let’s just be real and tell the older woman like me who doesn’t want any more kids that this one is going to cat there’s more than one way. Yeah, that’s basically it. You know, that’s basically it. So I appreciate you so much. I love that your energy is hard. I hate to say that it’s hard to find. Other Woman: You can be on the same page, like, out the RIP. So we didn’t know about HIV testers. I mean, but anyway, is this right was right, right was wrong, and wrong was good for the community? This is always a clear message. So that’s why we can just really talk, and it’s all about the black family, which is beautiful. And you know, like I said, I’ve made mistakes; you know, you make mistakes, but we’re still beautiful women. And we, you know, are women enough to want to grow, and I estimate they always want to grow and serve others, and that just makes your mistakes fall off like Teflon.
Dr. Connie Omari
Well, Tisha, this has been a pleasure. I wish I could talk to you forever. You know, all things must come to an end. All right, I know that our guests are going to really respond well to you, and because I have, I’m going to make sure all your links are in the show notes. Make sure you email, and when we talk about this later, I can make sure to put them in the notes for our guests. And are there any final thoughts? Conclusion? Do you want to make sure that
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
let our audience know? Oh, yes. My new slogan is I have a couple of folders, but let’s make marriages great again. Yeah, she’s great again, not that play on which I will get a red hat saying that, so the main thing is to have a great relationship. You have to be a great person to start off with that first start of being a great person and having a great relationship with calm because you’ll attract the right kind of people you won’t have, and if a crappy person comes, you will smell it out and you just get rid of it easily because you’re a great person and you know what you deserve. Here we go.
I love that. Thank you so
Dr. Connie Omari
much. Tish for your time. You are a wealth of knowledge about the ball. Just a great inspiration.
Tish Saint Mary, PharmD
I appreciate you, Dr. Memoria, and everything you’re doing and sharing with me.
Dr. Connie Omari
Thank you. All right, have a wonderful day. Take care. Bye