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Dr. Connie Omari
Hey, hey, hey, welcome to the black Marriage and Family Therapy matters podcast where we connect black families to black therapist. today. We have an amazing guest. Her name is Kiara Jones. Hi, Miss Jones.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Hi, how are you?
Dr. Connie Omari
I’m good. How are you? Very good. Awesome. Before we start, can I please tell my audience a little bit about you? Absolutely. All right. Miss Jones is a registered mental health counseling intern in Florida. She works as a therapist with a trauma treatment team that focuses on healing survivors of sexual physical verbal errors such as a US exposure and child neglect. Although Miss Jones passion is with working with at risk youth, she provides services to survivors ages four to 65 years old. Miss Jill started so therapist as in August 2018. After noticing a trend in mental health providers experiencing burnout, secondary trauma, juggling personal life, sometimes including an overwhelming caseload, and setting aside fruitful hobbies and neglecting their own self care. Mrs. Jones also experienced needing to pour back into her own cup as well and began creating reminders, affirmations and love notes to self for healers of all kinds that are in great need of increasing their own self care routines. In addition to her message of radical self care, Miss Jones urges urges for Instagram community support, show kindness and uplift each other after having a heartfelt conversation with her best friend, about community over competition. I love that. Miss Jones continues her message her mission through so therapist AF to create a conscious collective of passionate empathic humans who have to practice taking a moment for themselves as they continue to help others. Wow, Michelle’s. This is amazing.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Yes, thank you.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yes. Can you tell me a little bit more about that conversation that you had with your best friend?
Ms. Kiara Jones
Yes, absolutely. So my best friend is practicing to become a doula. And wow, yes, a birth doula. And her her demographic is the black community, and also the LGBTQ community. Wow. So in speaking with her about her new goals and dreams, and then we’re bouncing things off of each other as far as my goals and dreams with my page, we talked about lifting each other and what true friendship looks like that support. amongst black women, it’s really important for us to lean on each other to share we all have our own niches and gifts. Right? So be something that another example another clinician may know that is well versed in, coming to the table and talking with each other and seeing how we can collaborate and help one of each other is so important and so valuable. That is Yes, exactly. So So again, that that community building that solid community over competition, we are not against one of each other. We’re here to build up one another. So I love that you Yes.
Dr. Connie Omari
I love that. And you know, I have a seven month old baby myself. And I’m telling you having a doula made all the difference. That is? Yes, yes, it is. It is amazing to see how because I didn’t have I guess, you know, I’m a mental health clinician myself, but I didn’t have that mental health, like influenced very much I mean that but to deal with that I have was great. But I think that’s so awesome that the two of you are working together, because there needs to be a balance of physical, you know, it’s a lot of physical support that’s needed, but also a lot of mental support that’s needed. Absolutely.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Absolutely. Yes. So that’s also something else that when, when a clinician or mental health service does follow the page, or just anybody, like posts or say thank you for sharing this, immediately find it important to say, you know, thank you for allowing me to share and be that support and just on that community over competition piece.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yes, yes, I love it. And I have to admit, I’ve actually snooped on your page a little bit too, after following you and just been like, wow, I needed that, you know, because it is hard out here, you know, doing this type of work. And, like you said, needing to fill your own cup so that we can fill each other’s cup. Exactly, absolutely. Right. And while we have a lot of therapists who listen to this show, we also obviously are out here for the clients and the people who Yeah, so can you speak a little bit more to that? I know, you said you’ve worked with trauma. And then you are big on helping people empower themselves and increase their own self care routines. So how would you say, for someone who’s been through a traumatic event, how important is it for them to understand self care?
Ms. Kiara Jones
Well, it’s, it’s vastly important, because when we as people, even as black people, go, dramatic experience, it can feel as if we’re suffocating. It can feel as if we’re silence, yes, generationally, we have this mindset if we’re supposed to put on that game face, or okay. Okay, I’m gonna take care of it. And although that’s awesome and powerful is just as important to seek guidance as set boundaries, you know, if your plate is if your plate is overflowing with beings, being honest with the people around you, your support system and just say, Hey, I may need a little bit of help, or hey, you know, right now, I won’t be able to do that. That’s a big, big, huge part of self care those boundaries, often we overlook that. Yes, we do. But it is important, because if we don’t create boundaries, then you know, that’s when those flooding of emotions come in of being resentful, or frustrated or angry, because we’re doing too much. You know, and as far as coping, what I want my families to know, or any family to know, is that coping and radical self care can look like anything as long as it’s done in a healthy manner. Right. But it can be for any amount of time. Right? Right. Right. Okay. Yeah. So allowing, allowing that sacred time in that sacred space for you, whether it’s 30 minutes into a podcast, or listen to jazz or music, or even 15 minutes if a person is into meditating or doing stations that could be helpful as well. Or a nap.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yes, I love that.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Yeah. Anything as simple as a nap. It’s just whatever works for you to help you feel refreshed and reset. And who knows, if you have enough energy in your cup, you know, because we can’t help others if we don’t, if we don’t have that energy from within. Right, it’s important for us to truly reset and it can again, it can look like anything.
Dr. Connie Omari
I got it, I love it. And with you mentioning that it’s so funny because I used to work myself to death. And I used to feel like if I wasn’t busy, it didn’t matter if what I was doing was productive. It didn’t matter if I had good. I just had to keep going. And the funny thing is since I started like the weekends, I don’t work on the weekends like I that is I have set you know, I don’t do it. And I have found that just taking that time off. I’m actually more productive. I get more done, I have better outcomes. And I never realized I was neglecting my own self care.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Right. And again, you know is is it If we start feeling guilty, yeah, resting, yeah, seeing or recuperating, we’re taking that time because we’re so into the mix of moving and doing and you know doing for others. We forget that self care is not selfish.
Dr. Connie Omari
Can you please write down the difference? Because people don’t know that I so I struggle with that. What is self care and selfish?
Ms. Kiara Jones
Exactly. So, again, self care can look like spending time or doing things for you. If we’re in a family setting. The youth involved, maybe they can get it or, or something, you know, that they like to learn or do be creative, artistic, but selfish is more so like, Okay, well, I’m doing it. It’s done in a snippy way. Like, that’s it. Right. Right. But, but setting those boundaries and asking for what you need in the moment doesn’t have to be a confrontational conversation. Love it, you know, like, we’re in a way, oh, that time to rest. Because we do for others all day, we’re present. We’re there where we show up. But it’s important for us to show up for ourselves to when we need it.
Dr. Connie Omari
Love it. Love it. So you’ve mentioned boundaries a couple of times. Yeah. And so what I find is that people either cut people off. They have like, no boundaries whatsoever. So they kill themselves, or they like or like I’m done. Can you clearly define like, what it means to have boundaries and be in that nice middle space?
Ms. Kiara Jones
Yes, yes, yes. So I can use an example with my friendships and okay, I feel a little bit of low energy, or just your if I’ve had a rough day to recoup, just sending that text like, hey, you know, I’ve had a, I’ve had a very event for that, you know, is it okay, if I give you a call back tomorrow or during the whole? You know, is that validating that? Yes, you’re reaching out to me, but also, you know, I’m running low on my energy right now. And I need to. So it’s all about how you word it and reframe it, right? Yeah. So by not responding to people, like you said, by cutting them off. If you value that relationship, that’s not appropriately saying, like, hey, I need this time. Got it. Got it. And it’s more, it’s more than okay to ask for that. And I think we have to kind of practice those things because it feels it feels hard to do. It’s hard to say, Hey, I just need a moment to breathe. Right? But there also comes that mutual understanding to like, Hey, if you ever need that moment to breathe, just let me know. Right? You know, so don’t having those open and honest conversations, those, those reciprocal conflicts about what self care looks like, what taking the breath looks like, what what not, you know, not taking a phone call looks like at the moment. That’s very important to have those open conversations amongst friends amongst family, you know, instead of disregarding them or making them feel as if they’re not important, being the uncle about our importance to pour back into ourselves.
Dr. Connie Omari
You’re right. Yeah, you’re right. I’m glad you mentioned the phone because it’s like, we need it. We have to have it. But it kills me. I go out and see people you know, having lunch or dinner sometimes on a date, or sometimes family they have the phone like right there. You know, I’m not even using it. But it’s just there just in case. It’s a call. What do you do?
Ms. Kiara Jones
Know so we get so tied up and joined to the hip with our phones and with ology that we forget to be mindful and present with others and even with ourselves.
Dr. Connie Omari
You’re right. Gosh, wow. Yeah. So So you do a lot of trauma work? So is there any particular area around trauma that you see a lot where people consistently neglect their self care?
Ms. Kiara Jones
Oh, absolutely. So the thing is, when I have a client who’s of older age, okay, more than likely they have a long, long history of trauma posed to our young people since they are younger. They may have a long history but up to their age. Well Up to a 70 year old person, they may have like extensive trauma that they have checked in, which makes me even harder because they’ve gotten into those routines of not taking care of themselves properly or not, you know, seeking professional help, you know, so it’s harder in a way not hard. I don’t hold on. Okay. It’s more challenging to kind of sale, someone who may be of older age, the importance of self care and boundaries. Right? Yes, no, they may be so intertwined and intermingle into their, their own personal community, their own friendships, family, children, grandchildren, all of these things. They push themselves aside over and over decades over and over, just to be, you know, be here for others. Ard when somebody has had that long history of not having boundaries, not speaking up and saying, Hey, I’m not feeling my best today. Yeah, hey, can I can I give you a call back this weekend? And it’s a lot tougher for them to have those conversations because are the the elder of their family they are with the guy is the healer but right in the healers, they need time to.
Dr. Connie Omari
So what are some historical things that someone who is maybe in their 70s? Just I don’t know if you mentioned the age, but let’s say in the 70s? What are some historical things that they might have experienced that really might make it hard for them to realize that they’re experiencing trauma? Like maybe, what was the climate like? Or what were family relationships? Like back then? I know, that’s before your time. But yeah, you know, what are they bringing in that makes the helps you realize that this is based off of their generation, as opposed to some other issue, right.
Ms. Kiara Jones
So I can give an example. So a person that’s in their 70s, as a younger person, they might have been in a household where they might have been the older sibling. So So when parents were out working, doing what they needed to do, they had, they might have been parental FIDE taking care of their younger siblings, Nurse doing laundry, all of those, kind of, in a way selfless things. But still, you know, they had to do what they had to do in the moment, because her family is a working system, they had to function how they could back then. And that happens now. It does, their parental father as well. But with older generations, you know, they continue to take that type of selflessness. Okay, I have to cook I have to do this. It’s not not necessarily a group effort, but I’m the oldest I got to do. I’m second long. And then that kind of spans over into their romantic relationships, here, making sure that you know, partner is okay, making sure when I have kids, my child is okay, helping with homework, all of these things. And they are riddled in there, there might be physical abuse, or sexual trauma, things that they have not mentioned. You know, historically, and culturally. Sometimes we brush things under the rug.
Dr. Connie Omari
You know, sometimes people don’t even know it’s trauma, right? I get amazed when people, you know, come into my office and say something like, my husband called me a bitch. And they say that just like they’re eating, you know, going out for dinner or something like, well, that’s abuse.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Very much so and, you know, because that’s the norm. So, this is it. That’s what I’ve seen in my household. You know, that’s how I carry out my household as an adult, right? Um, but in actuality, those things of course, you and I both know, that’s gone unchecked for so long to the point where all of those things, those those different types of abuse, they’re trickling down to. Yeah, well, my grandma speaks to my mom like this. Yes, yes, absolutely. Absolutely. So watch. My mom like
Dr. Connie Omari
Absolutely. Right. So you have and then you start dating someone. And they, you allow them to talk to you that way, and you talk to them that way. Yeah. You have children?
Ms. Kiara Jones
Yeah, exactly. And that continues that cycle of abuse.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yes. Oh, my goodness. Well, yes. What do you see? Is there any trend that stands out the most? Well, we’re talking about abuse. So you see it more sexual, physical, verbal substance abuse, child neglect. What are you seeing the most in your practice?
Ms. Kiara Jones
What’s interesting is that I feel like all of them intertwine. Oh, wow.
Dr. Connie Omari
Okay. Absolutely. Yeah.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Childhood Experience experienced some sort of neglect or abuse as a young person, or have even been exposed to substance abuse, obviously, they’re more likely to engage or continue to engage in those things that their parents wouldn’t be being verbally abusive to their peers, or authoritative figures, or anybody like that, or going down the road where they use substances, because I’ve seen my parents do that. And there, of course, there have been cases to a trend that I’ve seen where parents have used with their children.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah. That’s cool. Like, yes, they think that’s the cool thing to do. And that’s a way of relating or connecting with your child is smoking a joint with them? Right? No, it’s not.
Ms. Kiara Jones
So with those trends, it can be it can be challenging, again, to educate, especially if I’m working with teens. Yes, it can be challenging to educate them on the fact that what you have experienced is not negating the fact that it was right, right, right, you have such a huge impact and influence on the way you carry out your romantic relationships, or your friendships or your likelihood to use substances or be in domestic violence situations, trouble with the law, all these different things, I feel like they connect, because a lot of my families are seeing they with the parents neglected as children there is well started to get them involved with either drug use transporting different things like that. So they become a part of that world, because my parent knows this. So okay, well, I don’t need a legitimate job. So because I know this world. You know? Absolutely. Yes, definitely. It’s all all interconnected. That’s that’s the trend that I mostly see.
Dr. Connie Omari
For sure. Wow. So we’ll all connect from one thing to the next salutely. And the interesting thing is, a lot of times people don’t even know what it looks like, right? Because you, as you said, it’s it’s intergenerational, we’re doing it from one generation to the next.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Absolutely.
Dr. Connie Omari
What are some things that we can look for? So let’s say you know, I have a teenage daughter, whatever. And I’m going to, we’re going to do something similar to this in a little bit. But you mentioned teenagers, so like, a teenager isn’t going to know themselves that they’re traumatized? Well, some some of them will. But you know, a lot of times teenagers are young, and they’re wanting to do hang out with the, you know, with the crowd and have fun and playing. So they’re not looking, how can a caregiver know what to look for in their own team and whether or not they might be experiencing some form of trauma, especially like you said, if they if the caregiver has contributed to exactly.
Unknown Speaker
So something that I bring my parents in, of course, psychoeducation is really, really important. So not only educating the child about the different types of abuse and what that may look like, but also educating their parents. Right? Although confidentiality, yes, but, you know, it’s really important for the parents to learn the skills and the terms. It’s, it’s just important as it is for the team. Because how can you continue to learn and grow and educate one another? If you’re not speaking to one another? Yeah. So educating both the child and the parent and talking about isolating behavior. Oh, good. I love that. Is my child staying in their room? Is my child not communicating or engaging with me like they were? Are they lacking interest in the things that they want loved like sports or getting spending time with friends or spending time out in an in a general area with family? Are they tired, do they have nightmares or views or are they easily angered? You know, because that can definitely be an indicator of trauma too, because Is there outside people who have been traumatized they easily get outside of their window of tolerance?
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah. Yes.
Unknown Speaker
So they’re constantly battling in survival mode all day. Variance, all this trauma. And you know, parents, and even the teens are left to wonder why, like, Why do I feel this way?
Dr. Connie Omari
Right? Uh huh.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Well, is because your family system is functioning in survival mode.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yes, yes. Yes. What do you think about being intentional? Because I love that you mentioned survival for survival mode, and a lot of us exactly are doing that we are trying to get from one moment to the next, right about making decisions that are intentional in that you’ve actually thought through them, you’ve actually thought about the consequences and the outcomes of what you’re doing.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. And you’re right, like you said, being intentional about that practice, I always put it to my young people, as this is a practice. When we got leave session, I at least want you to practice effective communication one time, one time.
Dr. Connie Omari
Love it, love this one, you don’t have to change the whole system just once.
Unknown Speaker
Just once, because it’s a process. And if we flood, a person with too many challenges, or too much, you know, homework, all these different things, they’ll be less likely to truly engage in exactly one time and get pulling in the parents. So then the same crowd is effectively communicating with you. What are some ways that we can we can respond in the moment to you? Yeah, because what I noticed will fall in my teen teens is that they just want to be heard.
Dr. Connie Omari
That’s all. That’s, that’s. Yeah, absolutely. Right. Yes. But I just want to I want to in light of all of this, aren’t there in myths that people have black people have that keep them from getting to what you’re what you’re talking about? Like, what are the I’m trying to think of the word but says the self defeating thoughts or whatever that we have that keep us trapped? And not? Not where you’re trying to get to get your clients to be?
Unknown Speaker
Right. Right. Okay. So the biggest myth with my clients, and families about radical self care is that oh, that’s for wealthy? Oh, I don’t have the money to do that. So, most often, I’ve seen that when when I tell the person about self care, they’re like, oh, I don’t I don’t have the funds to go on an extra extravagant trip. I can’t go get my nails done or my hair done or go to the spa. And that and that’s when we have to take a step back and say, Okay, well, radical self care is just unapologetically doing things that make you feel good and not have to look like an extravagant tread, right? But it can be taking time, like I said, to take a nap. Yes. Getting some sun on your face saying if you if you have like some chairs outside getting that getting that that sun on your face or going for a walk for 30 minutes. Or even family oriented, playing a board game, going outside and play basketball with each other or whatever sports boxing or what whatever you all may be interested in, or venturing out into the community. There are there are you know, these are unconventional, but there are holistic shots. They’re like businesses there are black pop up this pop up shops, shop, right? Yeah, more often than not, they’ll know what the next community event may be, maybe. And it may cause little to nothing. So it’s just it’s just important to brainstorm to think about think outside the box. It doesn’t always take money to pour back into yourself and have still care and it also doesn’t always take money to make memories.
Dr. Connie Omari
Oh, I love it. Yes. It’s funny because some of my best memories with my daughter are things that we did for free, right? She absolutely loves this little water. Well, we bought a water gun store for like $1 She loves for us to just put water in that thing and just spray, you know, spray job. It’s fun. You know, it doesn’t hurt. I don’t like the water all over my walls or whatever is outside. But you know, it’s so simple and it’s so much fun. And it helps me to just debrief from the day and all the clients that I’ve worked with and all the trauma that I absorb, we absorb it too. And you know, yeah. And I, you know, as caregivers and people who are out here doing this work, can you imagine what it’s like? Like you said for the 70 year old, you know, grandmother who’s observing, absorbing her husband, her children, her grandchildren, sometimes her great film children, sometimes her nieces, her nephews, she’s absorbing all of that.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, yes. And again, those things are so important, like radical self care is important to do out loud. Oh, love it. See, shouldn’t be kidding. It should be openly talked about openly done so that our children can form their own self care routine. The value means, you know, setting boundaries with other people and, you know, pouring back into their own cup so they can continue to give and give and give and not be part out. Burnout is not just for clinicians. No, it’s not. Burnout is for anybody and everybody who is constantly going and constantly moving all day, even young people. We just really have to have to live out loud when we’re practicing our self care. So our young people can’t understand the importance of it too. And continue to pass that down.
Dr. Connie Omari
I love it. Love it, and you hit the nail the nail on the head, which is breaking the curse. You know what I mean? Like breaking the curse, because we do this from one generation to the next. We have a responsibility to step out and do something different. And teach the next generation how to do it. Yeah, I love it. I love it. Are there any resources? Well, you’ve you’ve named a lot of things, though, that are free that people can do. Just to be radical about their self care. So I live is there anything that they can like read up on I know, you know, I serve a big face serving community. So I don’t know if you know, any scriptures or written books, anything like that. If not, we can keep on going.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Well, I was going to bring up podcast, yes.
Dr. Connie Omari
Okay.
Ms. Kiara Jones
I don’t know if it would be for the younger people because she is pretty candid. It’s small doses, but Amanda feels okay. And Amanda seals is a comedian. Okay. Okay. So she has weekly topics. And she may bring in a person that she likes, like a close friend or somebody that’s in a different field, and they talk about a specific topic. So one of our episodes, she did one on self care. And of course, like I said, it might be more so geared towards adults, but it’s free flowing, get super candid. D is talking and live. She’s your home. I love it. Love it, too. Yes, yes. So talking about that guilt. And you know, maybe even feeling some shame about taking that time. Like that generational kind of how those mindsets are ingrained, and what self care could look like and why it’s so important. She definitely dives in headfirst about that. And she has really, really good topics about being an empath or effective communication or being the only black person at your job. Yes, yes. Yes, different things.
Dr. Connie Omari
But what’s the name again? So I’ll make sure I put that in the show notes. Yes.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Small doses, small doses. Okay. Yes, by Amanda seals,
Dr. Connie Omari
Amanda Steel’s got it. Yes. Got it. Okay, Miss Jones. Now we’re gonna switch to a segment of the show that we call what’s good. What’s good as a part of the show where we apply this information to what could be a real life scenario for our listeners. Are you ready? Yes. Right. Meet Tamika. Tamika is the mother of three children. She works long hours to provide for herself and her children as a single mother. She is a licensed therapist and works long hours for low pay at a community health center. After she gets home, she barely has enough time to do homework with her children, prepare their dinner, read them a story and put them to bed. Even while doing that she sometimes has to answers to calls after hours. She wants desperately to find time for herself. But she can’t seem to do it with the demands of work and parenting. How would you suggest that she engaged in radical self care?
Ms. Kiara Jones
Yes. Okay. So this kind of goes a little bit back to what I was talking about. As far as seeking guidance and support. Asking for help is a part of self care. Also, it can be a little hard to have these conversations but is there anything thing that your job entails that may be that may be too much for you. Because sometimes what I’ve noticed with community mental health and you know, different agencies is that they will push and push and push so many things to the plate. Yes, yes, person isn’t getting paid the most is doing the most work doing a lot of jobs at once. And that falls into setting boundaries. Because especially being the single parent, it can be so hard, because you know, you need that job in order for everybody else to survive in your home. But it can be a good conversation to have by saying, hey, you know, I’m getting burned out, I really do want to provide the best services to my clients into the community. What can we do? Oh, amazing. Yes. And kind of moving into her household because you had mentioned that, you know, she has three kids, it’s hard to cook and you know, read them at night and get them bathed and ready. It makes, I would ask her, the first thing would be is like, Do you have any supports like family, or somebody that you trust? Absolutely. Yeah. Do you have an can you make like a, like a little schedule to kind of keep things in line? So maybe all three of the kids can read a book to each other? Oh, wow.
Dr. Connie Omari
Oh, yeah, that one. Read your own.
Ms. Kiara Jones
But not only them that kind of like, help with getting everybody settled. But obviously, we’re still learning how to interact, we’re doing something in a healthy manner where it’s educational, like, and if that can’t be done. I understand too, because sometimes there aren’t large gaps and ages between kids. But you know, if you have kids who can read? I love it. That’s something that you could supervise. Yeah, absolutely. That could definitely be a learning moment. Yeah. Cool, as well.
Dr. Connie Omari
Mitch has missions that they can help with dinner. Yeah. Oh, you can get you some little hot dogs. I love having like a hot dog night my husband don’t like it too much. Gives you some hot dog. If you own mustard ketchup out there and ya know, little sad beings or whatever, you just heat that up.
Ms. Kiara Jones
They can participate with that they can everybody be cooperative and help. Like, who knows having having your kid if they’re old enough kind of look on Pinterest with you? Like fun simple ideas. Kind of put together a form of self care to.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yes, yes. Yes. And it’s teaching responsibility. Absolutely. And that’s so important as well. Very well. Miss Jones, you have added a wealth of knowledge for our readers today. And I am very, very thankful to you for having me. Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, just to be clear, where can our guest find you?
Ms. Kiara Jones
Yes. So you can find the page on Instagram at so therapist AF. If you have any business inquiries or any questions or want to give any feedback, you can also slide into my DMs. Okay. And let me know, I really do love collaboration. I love feedback. I love that community aspect of Instagram. So please, please, please feel free to add feedback or have fruitful communications. Again, we are a community. So we have to support each other live to help, you know, kind of build on each other skills. So please do that. Also, if you want to contact me as well, you can contact me through email. And that is so therapistaf@gmail.com.
Dr. Connie Omari
So that Yeah, that’ll bein the show. Both of those will be in the show notes as well. Okay, very good. Job. It’s been a pleasure. Did you want to add something else? I’m sorry.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Well, just really quick. So something that you mentioned about having a doula is really important in my best friend, she has a page as well on Instagram called peacefully bumping. She does sensing encapsulation. So that is a part of self care as well.
Dr. Connie Omari
But is our mother that helps with the postpartum right Yeah, cuz I did that. I did that. Yeah. With both of my babies.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Yes. So that can be a good resource as well for mothers, whether they’re single mothers or just whatever what whatever walk of life they come from
Dr. Connie Omari
Sounds good. Can she ship that all over the US? Or is it local?
Ms. Kiara Jones
I think she wouldn’t be able to ship it all over the US. Yeah. Okay.
Dr. Connie Omari
I’m a big fan of that. That really helped help me with my stuff. So yeah, I’ll put that in the show notes as well. Okay. All right. Well, it’s been a pleasure having you, Miss Jones, you have inspired me as I know you have many others. And we really thank you for your time.
Ms. Kiara Jones
Thank you so, so much.
Dr. Connie Omari
You’re welcome. Take care.
Ms. Kiara Jones
You too.
Dr. Connie Omari
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