Dr. O:
Hey, Hey, Hey, welcome to the Black Marriage and Family Therapy Matters podcast where we connect black families to black therapist. Today we have an amazing guest. Her name is Kiara Jones. Hi, Miss Jones. Hi, how are you?
Ms. Kiara Jones:
I’m good. How are you?
Dr. O:
Very good. Awesome. Before we start, can I please tell my audience a little bit about you?
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Absolutely.
Dr. O:
All right. Miss Jones is a registered mental health counseling intern in Florida. She works as a therapist with a trauma treatment team that focuses on healing survivors of sexual, physical, verbal substance abuse exposure, and child neglect. Although Miss Jones passion is with working with at risk youth, she provides services to survivors ages four to 65 years old. Miss Jones started So Therapist AF in August of 2019. after noticing a trend in mental health providers experiencing burnout, secondary trauma, juggling personal lives, sometimes including an overwhelming caseload, and setting aside fruitful hobbies and neglecting their own self care. Mrs. Jones also experienced needing to pour back into her own cup, as well and began creating reminders, affirmations and love notes to self for healers of all kinds that are in great need of increasing their own self care routines. In addition to her message of radical self care, Miss Jones urges, urges her Instagram community support, show kindness and uplift each other after having a heartfelt conversation with her best friend about community over competition. I love that. Miss Jones continues her message her mission through so therapist as to create a conscious collective of passionate empathic humans who have to practice taking a moment for themselves as they continue to help others. Wow, Miss Jones, this is amazing.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes, thank you.
Dr. O:
Yes. Can you tell me a little bit more about that conversation that you had with your best friend?
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes, absolutely. So my best friend is practicing to become a doula.
Dr. O:
Oh Wow!
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes, a birth doula. And her, um, her demographic is the black community, and also the LGBTQ community. So in speaking with her about her new goals and dreams, and then we were bouncing things off of each other as far as my goals and dreams with my page, we talked about uplifting each other and what true friendship looks like that support. Amongst black women, it’s really important for us to lean on each other to share we all have our own niches and gifts. Right? So it’d be something that another for example, another clinician may know that I”m not as well versed in, coming to the table and talking with each other and seeing how we can collaborate and help one of each other is so important and so valuable. Exactly. So So again, that that community building that solid community over competition, we are not against one of each other, we’re here to build up one another. So
Dr. O:
I love that.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes.
Dr. O:
I love that. And you know, I have a seven month old baby myself, and I’m telling you having a doula made all the difference. That is? Yes, yes. And it’s It is amazing to see how because I didn’t have I guess, you know, I’m a mental health clinician, myself, I didn’t have that mental health, like influence very much. I mean, but the doula that I have was great. But I think that’s so awesome that the two of you are working together, because there needs to be a balance of physical. You know, it’s a lot of physical support that’s needed, but also a lot of mental support that’s needed.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. So that’s also something else that when some when a clinician or mental health service does follow the page, or just anybody, like posts or say thank you for sharing this. Yeah, I immediately find it important to say, you know, thank you for allowing me to share and be that support and just on that community over competition piece. Yes, yes. I love that. And I have to admit, I’ve actually snooped on your page a little bit too after following you and just been like, wow, I needed that. Yeah, you know, cuz it’s hard out here, you know, doing this type of work, and, like you said, needed to fill your own cup so that we can feel each other’s cup.
Dr. O:
Exactly. Absolutely. Right.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
And while we have a lot of therapists who listen to this show, we also obviously are out here for the clients and the people who Yeah, so can you speak a little bit more to that? I know you said you work with trauma. And then you are big on helping people empower themselves and increase their own self care routines. So how would you say, for someone who’s been through a traumatic event, how important is it for them to understand self care? Well, it’s, it’s vastly important, because when we, as people, even as black people go, romantic experience, it can feel as if we’re suffocating. It can feel as if we’re silent. Yes, generationally, we have this mindset as if we’re supposed to put on that game face. Or Okay. Hey, I’m gonna take care of it. And although that’s awesome and powerful, it’s just as important to seek guidance as set boundaries, you know, if your plate is if your your plate is overflowing with beings, being honest with the people around you, your support system and just say, Hey, I may need a little bit of help, or Hey, you know, right now, I won’t be able to do that. That’s a big, big, huge part of self care those boundaries, often we overlook that.
Dr. O:
Yes, we do.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
It’s important, because if we don’t create boundaries, then you know, that’s when those flooding, emotions come in of being resentful or frustrated or angry, because we’re doing too much. You know, and as far as coping, what I want my families to know, or any family to know, is that coping and radical self care can look like anything as long as it’s done in a healthy manner. Right? Oh, yeah. But it can be for any amount of time. Right? Right. Right. Okay. Yeah. So allowing, allowing that sacred time in that sacred space for you, whether it’s 30 minutes, to a podcast, or listen to jazz or, or, or even 15 minutes, if a person is into meditating or doing patients that could be helpful as well. Or a nap?
Dr. O:
Yes, I love that.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yeah. Anything as simple as a nap. It’s just whatever works for you to help you feel refreshed and reset. And was if you have enough energy in your cup, you know, because I love it. We can’t help others. If we don’t, if we don’t have the energy from within. Right, it’s important for us to truly reset and it can again, it can look like anything. I got it. I love it. And with you mentioning that it’s so funny because I used to work myself to death. And I used to feel like if I wasn’t busy, it didn’t matter if what I was doing was productive. It didn’t matter if I had I just had to keep going. Yes. And the funny thing is, since I start like the weekends, I don’t work on the weekends, like I that is a I have set you know, I don’t do it. I have found that just taking that time off. I’m actually more productive. I get more done, I have better outcomes. And I never realized I was neglecting my own self care. Right. Right. And again, you know is if we start feeling guilty Yeah, resting as seeing God recuperating. We’re taking that time because we’re so into the mix of moving and doing and you know doing for others. We forget that self care is not selfish. Can you please write down the difference?
Dr. O:
Because people don’t know that I so I struggle with that. What? They think self care isselfish. Exactly.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
So, again, self care can look like spending time or doing things for you. If we’re in a family setting. I’m getting the youth involved. Maybe they can get 70 or, or something, you know that they like to learn or do be creative, artistic, but selfish is more so like, Okay, well, I’m doing this. It’s done in a snippy way. Like, that’s it. Right. Right. But But setting those boundaries and asking for what you need in the moment doesn’t have to be a confrontational conversation. Love it. You know, like we’re in a way Oh, that time to rest because we do for others all day we’re present. Oh, we were there where we show up. important for us to show up for ourselves to when we need it. Love it. Love it. So you’ve mentioned boundaries a couple of times. Yeah. And so what I find is that people either cut people off.
Dr. O: Right? They have like no boundaries. What So, so they either kill themselves or they like or like I’m done with you. Can you clearly define like, what it means to have boundaries and being that nice middle space?
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes, yes, yes. So I can use an example with my friendships and Okay, I feel a little bit of low energy or just your if I’ve had a rough day to recoup, just sending that text like, Hey, you know, I’ve had a, I’ve had a very eventful day, you know, is it okay? If I give you a call back tomorrow or during the week? Is that validating that? Yes, you’re reaching out to me, but also, you know, I’m running low on my energy right now. And I need to. So it’s all about how you word it and reframe it, right.
Dr. O:
Yeah.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
So by not responding to people, like you said, by cutting them off, if you value that relationship, that’s not appropriately saying, like, hey, I need this time.
Dr. O:
Got it. Got it.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
And it’s more, it’s more than okay to ask for that. And I think we have to kind of practice those things because it feels it feels hard to do. It’s hard to say, Hey, I just need a moment to breathe. Right? But there also comes that mutual understanding to like, hey, if you ever need that moment to breathe, just let me know. You know, so don’t having those open and honest conversations, those those reciprocal content, about what self care looks like, What’s taking a breath looks like what what not, you know, not taking a phone call looks like at the moment. That’s very important to have those open conversations amongst friends amongst family, instead of disregarding them or making them feel as if they’re not important. Being the cocal about, about our importance to pour back into ourselves. You’re right.
Dr. O:
Yeah, you’re right. I’m glad you mentioned the phone because it’s like we need. We have to have it but it kills me, I go out and see people, you know, having lunch or dinner sometimes on a date, or sometimes family, they have the phone like right there. You know, not even using it, but it’s just there just in case. I can’t miss a call.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
What are you doing?
Dr. O:
No. So we we get so tied up in and join to the hip with our phones. And with that we forget to be mindful and present with others. And even with ourselvesYou’re right. Gosh, wow. Yeah. So so you do a lot of trauma work? So is there any particular area around trauma that you see a lot where people could sit and like neglect their self care?
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Oh, absolutely. So the thing is, when I have a client who’s of older age.
Dr. O:
Okay.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
More than likely, they have a long, long history of trauma as oppposed to our young people, since they are younger, they may have a long history, but up to their age. Okay, well, to a 70 year old person, they may have like, extensive trauma that they have not checked, you know, which makes it even harder, because they’ve gone into those routines of not taking care of themselves properly or not, you know, seeking professional help, you know, so it’s harder in a way not harder. I don’t like the word harder.
Dr. O:
Okay.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
It’s more challenging.To kind of sale, someone who may be of older age, the importance of self care and boundaries. Oh, right. Yes, no, they may be so intertwined and intermingle into their, their own personal community, their own friendships, family, children, grandchildren, all of these things, that they push themselves aside, over and over decades over and over, just to be, you know, here for others. So it’s hard when somebody has had that long history of not having boundaries, not speaking up and saying, Hey, I’m not feeling my best today. Yeah, Hey, can I can I give you a call back this weekend? It’s a lot tougher for them to have those conversations because they are the the elder of their family. They aren’t who is the guide? Is the healer but right in the healer, they need time to
Dr. O:
They do.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
They do they Right?
Dr. O:
They do right so what are some historical things That someone who is maybe in their 70s? Just I don’t know if he mentioned the age, but let’s say in the 70s, what are some historical things that they might have experienced that really might make it hard for them to realize that they’re experiencing trauma? Like maybe? What was the climate like? Or what were family relationships? like back then? I know, that’s before your time. But yeah, you know, what are they bringing in that makes the helps you realize that this is based off of their generation as opposed to some other issue.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Right. So I can give an example. So a person that’s in their 70s, as a younger person, they might have been in a household where they might have been the older sibling. So So when parents were out working, doing what they needed to do, they had, they might have been parentified, oh, taking care of their younger siblings. They may have nurse doing laundry, and all of those kind of, in a way selfless things. But still, you know, they had to do what they had to do in the moment, because family is a working system, they had to function how they could back then. Mm hmm. And that happens now. They’re parentified as well, but with older generations, you know, they continue to take that type of selflessness. Okay, I have to cook I have to do this. It’s not not necessarily a group effort, but I’m the oldest I got to do with it. Okay, I’m second mom,And then that kind of spans over into their romantic relationships. They’re making sure that you know, partner is okay, making sure when they have kids, my child is okay, helping with homework, all of these things. And they’re riddled in there, there might be physical abuse, or sexual trauma, and, you know, things that they have not mentioned. You know, historically and culturally. Sometimes we brush things under the rug. Mm hmm. You know.
Dr. O:
Sometimes people don’t even know it’s trauma.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Right?
Dr. O:
I get amazed when people, you know, come into my office and say something like, my husband called me a bitch. And they say that just like they’re eating, you know, going out for dinner or something like, no, that’s abuse.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Very much so. And, you know, because that’s the norm for them. So, this is a fate. That’s what I’ve seen in my household. You know, that’s how I carry out my household as an adult, right? Um, but in actuality, those things of course, you and I both know. That’s Mm hmm. And, you know, gone unchecked for so long to the point where all of those things, those those different types of abuse, they’re trickling down to?Well, my grandma speaks to my mom like this.
Dr. O:
Yes. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
So why can’t I speak to my mom like this?
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Absolutely. Right. So you have, and then you start dating someone. And, and they, you allow them to talk to you that way. And you talk to them that way. Yeah. And then you have children. Yeah.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Exactly. And that continues that cycle of abuse. Yes.
Dr. O:
Oh, my goodness. Wow. Yes. What do you see? Is there any trend that stands out the most? Well, we’re talking about abuse. So you see it more sexual, physical, verbal, substance abuse, child neglect? What are you seeing the most in your practice?
What’s interesting is that I feel like all of them intertwine.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Oh, wow!
Dr. O:
You get one, okay. If a child has experienced some sort of neglect, or abuse as a young person, or have even been exposed to substance abuse, obviously, they’re more likely to engage or continue to engage in those things that their parents would do. Yes. Oh, being verbally abusive to their peers, or authoritative figures, or anybody like that, or going down the road where they use substances, because I’ve seen my parents do that. And then, of course, there have been cases to a trend that I’ve seen where parents have used with their children.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes, yeah. They think that’s cool. Like, yes, they think that’s the cool thing to do. And that’s a way of relating or connecting with your child is smoking a joint with them, right? No, it’s not.
So it’s always so with those trends… it can be… it can be challenging, again, to educate, especially if I’m working with teens.
Dr. O:
Yes!
Ms. Kiara Jones:
It can be challenging to educate them on the fact that what you have experienced is abuse, not negating the fact that it was. Right. Right, right, you have such a huge impact and influence on the way you carry out your romantic relationships or your friendships or your likelihood to use substances or be in domestic violence situation, trouble with the law, all these different things. I feel like they connect, because I have my families I’ve seen they with the parents neglected as children, there is this well, then you started to get them involved with either drug use, transporting different things like that. So they become a part of that world because my parent knows this.
Dr. O:
Uh huh.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
So okay, well, I don’t need a legitimate job. So because I know this world too.
Dr. O:
Absolutely.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes, definitely. All interconnects. That’s, that’s the trend that I mostly see.
Dr. O:
Wow. So it all connects from one thing to the next.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Absalutely. And the interesting thing is, a lot of times people don’t even know what it looks like. Right? Because, as you said, it’s it’s it’s intergenerational. We’re doing it from one generation to the next. Absolutely. What are some things that we can look for? So let’s say you know, I have a teenage daughter, whatever. And I’m going to, we’re going to do something similar to this in a little bit. But you mentioned teenagers, so like, a teenager isn’t going to know themselves that they’re traumatized? Well, some some of them will. But you know, a lot of times teenagers are young, and they’re wanting to do hang out with the, you know, with the crowd and have fun and playing. So they’re not looking, how can a caregiver know what to look for in their own team, and whether or not they might be experiencing some form of trauma, especially like you said, if they if their caregivers contributed to exactly. So something that I bring my parents in, of course, psychoeducation is really, really important. Not only educating the child about the different types of abuse, and what that may look like, but also educating their parents. Although confidentiality, yes, but you know, it’s really important for the parents to learn the skills and the terms, just important as it is for the team. Because how can you continue to learn and grow and educate one another? If you’re not speaking to one another?
Dr. O:
Yeah.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
So educating both the child and the parent and talking about isolating behaviors, Like, is my child staying in their room? Is my child not communicating or engaging with me? Like they were? Are they lacking interest in the things that they once loved, like sports or games? or spending time with friends or spending time out in the general area with family? Are they tired? Do they have nightmares? Or sleep issues? Or are they easily angered? Oh, you know, because that can definitely be an indicator of trauma, too. Because they’re outside people who have been traumatized. They easily get outside of their window tolerance.
Dr. O:
Yeah.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes. So they’re constantly battling in survival mode all day. Because all this trauma, and you know, parents, and even the teens are left to wonder why, like, Why do I feel this way?
Dr. O:
Right. Uh huh.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Well, it’s because your family system is functioning is.
Dr. O:
Yes, yes. Yes.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
What do you think about being intentional, because I love that you mentioned survival for survival mode, and a lot of us exactly are doing that we are trying to get from one moment to the next, right about making decisions that are intentional and that you’ve actually thought through them, you know, you’ve actually thought about the consequences and if the outcomes of what you’re doing, yes, absolutely. And you’re right, like you said, being intentional about that practicing. Always put it to my young people as this is a practice. Okay, so, when we got leave session, I at least want you to practice effective communication one time, one time,
Dr. O:
Love it. Love just one. You don’t have to change the whole system just once.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Just once because it’s a process and ifwe flood a person with too many challenges or too much, you know, homework, all these different things, they’ll be less likely to truly engage in that process. So, one time and get pulling in the parent to do the same Hi. How this effectively communicating with you? What are some ways that we can we can respond in the moment so that, you know? Yeah, because what I noticed with all of my team teams is that they just want to be heard. That’s all. That’s it. That’s all they want. Yeah, absolutely. Right. Yes. But I just want to I want to in light of all of this, are there any myths that people have black people have that keep them from getting to what you’re what you’re talking about, like, what are the I’m trying to think of the word but says the self defeating thoughts or whatever that we have that keep us trapped? And not? Not where you’re trying to get to get your clients to be?
Dr. O:
Right. Right. Okay. So the biggest myth with my clients, and families about radical self care is that Oh, that’s for wealthy people. Oh, I don’t have the money to do that. Oh, so most often, I’ve seen that when when I tell person about self care, they’re like, Oh, I know, I don’t have the funds to go on an extra extravagant trip. Oh, I can’t go get my nails done or my hair done or go to the spa. And that and that’s when we have to stay take a step back and say, Okay, well, I’m radical self care is just unapologetically doing things that make you feel good and have to look like an extravagant trip, right? Um, but it can be taking time, like I said, to take a nap.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes.
Dr. O:
Getting some sun on your face sitting if you if you have like some chairs outside getting that getting that that sun on your face, or going for a walk for 15 or 30 minutes. Or even family oriented playing a board game. Mm hmm. Going outside and play basketball with each other or whatever sport soccer what whatever I you all may be interested in venturing out into community bombing. There are there are you know, these are unconventional, but they’re they’re holistic shots. They’re black businesses there are black pop up this pop up shops. Right? Yeah, more often than not, they’ll know what the next community event may be. Maybe not. And it may cost little to nothing. Um, so it’s just, it’s just important to to brainstorm, to think about think outside the box, it doesn’t always take money to pour back into yourself and have self care. And it also doesn’t always take money to make memories.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Oh, I love it.
Dr. O:
Yes.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
It’s funny, cuz some of my best memories with my daughter are things that we’ve done for free. Like she absolutely loves this little waterwell we bought a water gun store for like, $1 she loves for us to just put water in that thing and just spray, you know, spray each of it’s fun. You know, it doesn’t hurt. I don’t like the water all over my walls or whatever. We have to take it outside. But you know, it’s so simple. And it’s so much fun. And it but it helps me to just debrief from the day. And all the clients that I’ve worked with and all the trauma that I absorb, we absorb it to add, you know, yeah, and I you know, as caregivers and people who are out here doing this work, can you imagine what it’s like, like you said for the 70 year old, you know, grandmother who’s observing, absorbing her husband, her children, her grandchildren, sometimes her great grandchildren, sometimes her nieces, her nephews, she’s absorbing all of that.
Dr. O:
Mm hmm. Yeah, yes. And again, those things are so important, like radical self care is important to do out loud. Oh, love it. Yeah, no, like, it, shouldn’t be hidden. It should be openly talked about openly done so that our children can form their own self care routines. The value means, you know, setting boundaries with other people and, you know, pouring back into their own cup so they can continue to give and give and give and not mean partout burnout is not just for clinicians.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
No, it’s not.
Dr. O:
Burnout is for anybody and everybody who is constantly going and constantly moving all day, even young people, you know, we just really have to have to live out loud when we’re when we’re practicing our self care. So our young people can understand the importance of it too. And continue to pass that down. Love it, love it and you hit the nail the nail on the head, which is breaking the curse. You know what I mean? Like breaking the curse because we do this from one generation to the next. We have a responsibility to step out and do something different. And teach the next generation how to do it. Yeah,
I love it. I love it. Are there any resources? Well, you’ve you’ve named a lot of things, though, that that are free that people can do. Yeah, it just to be radical about their self care. So I love, is there anything that they can like read up on? I know, you know, I serve a big faith serving community. So I don’t know if you know, any scriptures or books or anything like that. If not, we can keep going.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Well, I was going to bring that up.
Dr. O:
Yes. Okay. Okay.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
I don’t know if it would be for the younger people, because she is pretty candid. Um, it’s a small doses, but Amanda Steele okay. And Amanda Steel is a comedian. Okay, okay. Oh, so she has weekly topics. And she may bring in a person that she likes, like a close friend or somebody that’s in a different field, and they talk about a specific topic. So one of her episodes, she did one on self care.
Dr. O:
Oh, love it.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
And of course, like I said, it may be more so here towards adults, but it’s free flowing. It’s super candid. He is talking as if she’s your home girl. I love it. I love it, too. Yes, yes. So talking about that guilt. And you know, maybe even feeling some shame about taking that time and like that generational kind of how those mindsets are ingrained and what self care could look like and why it’s so important. She definitely dives in head first about that. And she has really, really good topics. Okay. comes about being good empath or effective communication or being the only black person at your job.
Dr. O:
Yes, yes.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes. Different things like that. But,
Dr. O:
What’s the name again? So make sure I put that in the show notes.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes. It’s Small Doses, Small Doses, by Amanda Seals, Amanda Seal’s
Dr. O:
Okay, Miss Jones. Now we’re going to switch to a segment of the show that we call WHAT’S GOOD? WHAT’S GOOD?as a part of the show where we apply this information to what could be a real life scenario for our listeners. Are you ready? Yes. Right. Meet to Mika. Tamika is the mother of three children. She works long hours to provide for herself and her children as a single mother, she is a licensed therapist and works long hours for low pay at a community health center. After she gets home, she barely has enough time to do homework with her children, prepare their dinner, read them a story and put them to bed.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Even while doing that she sometimes has to answers to calls after hours. She wants desperately to find time for herself. But she can’t seem to do it with the demands of work and parenting. How would you suggest that she engaged in radical self care?
Yes. Okay. So this kind of goes a little bit back to what I was talking about. As far as seeking guidance and support. Asking for help is a part of self care. And also it can be a little hard to have these conversations. But is there anything that your job entails? That may be that may be too much for you? Because sometimes what I’ve noticed with community mental health and you know, different agencies is that they will push and push and push and add so many things to the plate. Yes, yes, that a person who isn’t getting paid the most is doing the most, most work doing a lot of jobs at once. And that falls into setting boundaries.
Dr. O:
Yeah.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Because especially being a single parent, it can be so hard because you know, you need that job in order for everybody else to survive in your home. But it can be a good conversation to have by saying, Hey, you know, I’m getting burnout. I really do want to provide the best services to my clients and to the community. What can we do? Oh, amazing. Yes and amazing. Kind of moving into her household because you had mentioned that, you know, she has three kids, it’s hard to cook and you know, read them at night and get them bathed and ready. It makes I would upfront ask her the first thing I would be is like, do you have any support? Like family for somebody that you trust? Oh, absolutely. Yeah, anybody? Um, do you haven’t? I can’t Can you make like a, like a little schedule to kind of keep things in line. So maybe all three of the kids can read a book to each other. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. That one
Dr. O:
Read your own bedtime story.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
But not only does that kind of like help with getting everybody settled, but obviously we’re still learning how to interact. We’re doing something in a healthy manner where it’s educational, like, and if that can’t be done I understand too, because sometimes there aren’t large gaps in ages between kids. But you know, if you have kids who can read? I love it. That’s something that you could supermind Yeah. That could definitely be a learning moment. Yeah. Cool as well.
Dr. O:
They can help with dinner. Yo, you can get you some little hot dogs. I love having like a hot dog night, my husband would like it too much. I get you some hot dogs get your own mustard ketchup out there. And yeah, no little sad beings or whatever, you just heat that up. They can participate with that they can everybody in be cooperative and help. Like, who knows having having your kid if they’re old enough kind of look on Pinterest with you? like fun simple ideas. How to put together a form of self care to? Yes. Yes, yes. Yes. And is teaching responsibility. Absolutely. And that’s so important as well. Very. Wow. Miss Jones, you have added a wealth of knowledge for our readers today. And I am very, very thankful.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Thank you for having me.
Dr. O:
Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, just to be clear, where can our guests find you?
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes. So you can find the page on Instagram at so therapist AF. If you have any business inquiries, or any questions or want to give any feedback, you can also slide into my dm.
Dr. O:
Okay.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
And let me know, I really do love collaboration. I love feedback. I love that community aspect of Instagram. So please, please, please feel free to add feedback or have fruitful communications. Again, we are a community. So we have to support each other uplift help, you know, kind of build on each other’s skills. So please do that. Also, if you want to contact me as well, you can contact me through email. And that is sotherapistaf@gmail.com. So that, yeah, that’ll be in the show. Both of those will be in the show notes as well. Okay, very good.
Dr. O:
Miss Jones. It’s been a pleasure. Did you want to add something else? I’m sorry.
Well, just really quick. So something that you mentioned about having a doula is really important. And my best friend, she has a page as well on Instagram called peacefully bumping, and she does Placenta Encapsulation. So that is a part of self care as well.
That helps with the postpartum, right. Yeah, cuz I did that. I did that. Yes. With both of my babies. Mm hmm.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Yes. So that could be a good resource as well for mothers, whether they’re single mothers or just whatever, what bought every walk of life they come from sounds good.
Dr. O:
Can she ship that all over the US or is it local?
Ms. Kiara Jones:
I think she would be able to ship it all over the US. Yes.
Dr. O:
Okay. I’m a big fan of that. really helped helped me with my stuff. So yeah, I’ll put that in the show notes as well. Okay. All right. Well, it’s been a pleasure having you, Miss Jones, you have inspired me as I know you have many others. And we really thank you for your time.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Thank you so so much.
Dr. O:
You’re welcome. Take care.
Ms. Kiara Jones:
Okay, you too. All right. Bye.