Dr. Connie Omari
Hey, hey, hey, and welcome to the black Marriage and Family Therapy matters podcast where we connect black families to black therapists. Today, I want to introduce you to our guests. Crystal. Hi, Crystal.
Hi. How are you?
LPC Chris
I’m doing well. How are you?
Dr. Connie Omari
Good. So crystal goes by the name LPC Chris, because she is the host of the Get naked ID therapist podcast, which supports people within the social work and mental health fill. Crystal, how did you get into that?
LPC Chris
Well, I’ve been in the field for 15 years. And I felt as though there was something that was missing in the podcast world. And I wanted to have something that was specifically for therapists and not for therapists in our you know, our clients, everything is all about our clients and what we do for them. But what about so I want to present something and create something that would really feel the whale for us therapists
Dr. Connie Omari
Love it. Love it. Love it. You know, we’ve talked about this on the podcast so far. And it’s so important that when we are healers, and when we are leaders a lot of times like in our family and the things that we do, we were constantly giving. And sometimes it is extremely hard to remember that we we need to receive in your podcast seeks to do that. Yeah, so we as a black therapist, and on behalf of all the therapists who listen to you, I truly thank you,
LPC Chris
I appreciate you for listening. Absolutely.
Dr. Connie Omari
We’re gonna encourage our audience to listen as well. And we’ll get more information about how they can find you at the end of the show. Thanks. Yes, fantastic. Awesome. So So obviously, you are therapists, and you’re in your own line of clinical work. And today, I’ve invited you to the show because I wanted to talk about some of the myths and some of the theories that keep black families seeking therapy. Is that okay? Yes. All right. So what types of things? Have you seen that act as barriers to therapy in the black community?
Unknown Speaker
So I am representation of a black family basically, that needed therapy, and never?
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah, yeah,
Unknown Speaker
I am from the south. And I’m also my family’s very religious, and therapy just never really came across as something that is very helpful. In my family mentioned therapy, it was always because something was wrong. Or there was like a highlight of something of a weakness or a lack of faith. So that’s what my mindset and our mindsets were back, you know, in the 80s. And then my parents before generation before, we just didn’t see counseling as something that is a helpful thing. It was more of a harmful thing to bring issues to life.
Dr. Connie Omari
Mm hmm. It’s well, yeah. It was funny that you say that because as you were just saying that I was thinking about when I was growing up myself, and I’m one of my cousins who got married and apparently they went to couples counseling, and that became this thing. Like my family was just like, oh my god, you know, they’ve only been married what like a year or something already a couples counseling. And I couldn’t understand because I’m like, if I hope they are like, they started off. You know, it’s gonna be counseling, but we talked about like, it was like the worst thing ever, right?
Unknown Speaker
Yes. She said, I guess the stigma of therapy and counseling and mental health?
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah. Yeah. Geez, it’s so, you know, you decided to take a stand against that, you know that you weren’t going to fall into that narrative that that therapy is a blip back as a bad thing, right? Yeah. How, what can you say to somebody right now who might be listening and might be in the same place where they grew up in a family, where therapy was considered kind of taboo. And, but they know they need help, right?
Unknown Speaker
I’m a mom, I’m on a faith. And so I say step out on faith. And I believe that God gives people talents to do what they need to do to help others. I believe that there who’s just had this, they’ve gone to school, of course, for therapy or social work. But I believe the talent is there already before they went to school to do what they do. So I would say step out on faith, because even as a therapist, we need therapists, absolutely. Our supervisors sometimes acts as our therapists, if we have a really good one, they act as our therapist, and it’s just been, it’s been a blessing for me to have someone in my life that I can, you know, just talk to that is non judgmental, that doesn’t see me as a bad person, if I have certain feelings and thoughts. They build upon what I already all the skills and talents that I already have. Yeah, they build on that. It just makes you feel so fulfilled. At the end of the day, we do seek therapy and counseling.
Dr. Connie Omari
Mm hmm. Awesome. Yeah. So So you know, I’m glad you mentioned that, because you touched on a couple of things that I want to highlight, you’ve mentioned God. And of course, you know, therapists need their own support. And I think that’s a beautiful thing about our professional model, is that, you know, when you’re in school, I know my school, some schools, I believe, make you go to therapy, but in my school, they didn’t make you go, but if you demonstrate it any sense of me for additional, you know, behavioral resources, they would they would have, they had a list of therapists that they refer to, etc, then, of course, as you say that as we graduate, when we’re getting our internship and getting our hours, if we’re working in, you know, certain environments, we have people that support us. And that is, you know, I know, churches run differently. But you know, a lot of times the issue and I want to ask you if you’ve seen this as well, with the church model is that we’re not saying don’t go, and we’re not saying don’t use your counselor, sometimes who’s the counselor, being accountable to like what like human being, is the church is the church council, whether it’s the pastor, whether it’s the minister, whatever, who are they, you know, who are they debriefing with, so that they like?
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, this is a huge we’ve seen this in the past five years, where now churches are more interested in counseling and therapy in placing those, especially in the black church, placing those counselors within the church so that people can reach out. We we are a little behind the curve, but we finally understood that it is a detriment to turn a blind eye to the world and what’s happening in the lives of people who, in the face.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah, yeah. While at the same time, you know, I think what you’re doing and what I like to do as well is honor the fate because that is a very important part. But, you know, they complement each other. They don’t they don’t have to be mutually exclusive. You know, why choose one or the other? Right? Just curious, when you work with your clients, do you? Is there a faith principle to the work that you do?
Unknown Speaker
For me, I, if the families mentioned faith, that was it, I invite them to a conversation and a guided conversation around faith. But unless they are able to give me that information, I can bet to where I pray for them. Sadly, before I even go into a counseling session, or if I feel stuck with the client, I go in and put them in my own doctor, because no, absolutely, yeah, things that happen that we just get stuck. And that’s the reality of it. Yes, doing long term therapy. You do get sick or you do get worried about a family or child or somebody who’s in recovery. You do get worried about them. And a lot of times it’s like Lord is you could just put your hands on them and you know, exactly what they need more than I ever will.
Dr. Connie Omari
I love that. I love that. And it’s so interesting because I do the same exact thing. You know, that’s how losing us by faith. I mean, I don’t, I prefer all of my clients. But if I’m working with someone who has been, you know, harmed by religion, right, and the black church, that that wouldn’t be appropriate to bring that in, in their space. So I love that so so you, listeners, listeners, you can be a Christian and receive mental health counseling concurrently as they work together. So, do you work specifically with black families? Or do you work with a variety of a variety of families in the past?
Unknown Speaker
I did behavioral health assessments with in a medical clinic that was only predominantly black, it had history based on being in a black neighborhood. And it was made that 5060 years ago, for people who were in poverty, and for that area, when they found out that they had a behavioral health consultant at this clinic, people were coming in droves. And not only their identity assessments and pre solutions, focused therapy, I had a few counseling clients that would come back, you know, when they didn’t have any doctor appointments, so they would come and seek therapy. So it was majority black men, and some, you know, Hispanic clients that I would get translation services for. But a lot of black families or even older black men that would come in to see me for services.
Dr. Connie Omari
Hmm, that’s awesome. Wow, we’re getting not only the black families, but the black men, because a lot of times, you know, if they do come, it’s gonna be black woman and her children. So I love it, when I’m not getting an influx of black men, too, that are coming to me. So I just, I love I love that we’re doing this work. What do you wish black families knew about therapy?
Unknown Speaker
I wish for them to know that they can actually do shopping, they don’t have if they find one therapist that does not fit well with their family, that’s fine. Finding one that fits very well with your family. Because you don’t have to accept just one therapist that just doesn’t work out. And then you’re not seek therapy ever again. You can actually face enough therapists out there and there’s like therapists out there that you can try out and see if that’s what you Is that what’s good for your family, and then just find your fit.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah. Is there a particular area that black families struggle the most with? And if so, what can they learn from it?
LPC Chris
Certain area in therapy that they struggle with?
Dr. Connie Omari
What’s the whole mental health arena whether it’s, you know,
Unknown Speaker
My work has been steeped in more youth focus at risk? Okay. A lot of it and I cannot based on what I do, I can’t prescribe medication or anything like that. But what I found is when black families not understanding ADHD, not know, yes, trauma, not understand that. Even babies experience emotions, even though trauma, they just can’t tell you. Yeah, a lot of our families don’t understand that if something happened, even while a woman is pregnant, that babies do have memory they just cannot do. That’s kind of like a lot of my families are not knowledgeable of what trauma is and how it can affect your lifestyle over your entire life. They don’t understand that. So it can be medically it can be starving in school, it can all show up in your social interactions with with people. They do not understand. They just think that children forget because they have not talked about it.
Dr. Connie Omari
They treat them like they’re little not little little adults who don’t recognize it. Yeah. Working with at risk youth. I have a little bit of experience with that as well. Do you find how important do you think it is? That there’s a family dynamic as opposed to okay, this kid is bad. Let’s slap a diagnosis on him.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah, he’s the problem. Yeah. And you’ll see that a lot. You see it like that? This child is one child all gonna get all these other kids. Well, the kids don’t cause me problems, but this child causes me the problems. And I’ve seen I’ve seen a lot in both white and black families. But, but no child can work by themselves. Nobody can work by themselves. They need a support system. They need their family. If there’s a language has to change, it’s hard. Of course, you have grandmama telling you do this. So you have New Year’s and this is what I did with y’all.
Dr. Connie Omari
That one is the one that gets me the most. This is what I did with John, you know, I mean?
Unknown Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Understand this is a whole different date and generation understands. Yes, you’re bringing a conversation. There’s an there’s a funny meme on I saw on Facebook, and people are saying, hey, at your age.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah, I don’t know. They’re right. Right. Right. We need to teach them what that means.
Unknown Speaker
Yes, yes. Yeah. So that has been that has been the what I find so much with our families. And it’s a it’s an education piece that’s missing there. that children need that grace period to know that when they hit developmental milestones, like they turned 14, there are certain things it’s gonna happen. Yeah, okay. Yeah. So like, boys, and girls, it’s okay, yes, to want to do this with their hair, or, you know, or be hyperactive in school, it’s okay. So definitely is what I come across. And I also see with medication, when families don’t like the medication, they just stop it, like they just stop out. And they don’t leave it that can harm their child, that can make it even worse, it can harm your child, physically, like physically. And you have to go to the doctor, if this medicine doesn’t work for your child, you have to go to the doctor to tell your doctor and communicate with him. patient does not work and just cannot stop this.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yes, yes. You can’t just stop it. And you have to remember to take it Yes. You know, I have clients that I’m that I have, and they’re just like, Oh, I just forgot, or, you know, you have to recognize their children and children forget things. So that means, you know, we have to I mean, we can set alarms on our phones, you know, we can associate it with meals, like when you have breakfast, or like after you brush your teeth, you can you know, you need we need to find like little reminders and includes to, to get it in their body and then be consistent with it. And if you do want to go a different way get the support from from a professional medical professional to do that. Yeah, yeah. Something else I want to ask you about this is how, how much of a problem? Is it that you in your at risk youth that, you know, did you do it in the home? Or did they come to you?
Unknown Speaker
In home, and I’ve done residential, and I’ve done the cleaning, and now they come to me? Or they’ll God.
Dr. Connie Omari
So do you ever notice any challenges with working directly with the child, and then knowing that child has gone right back to their same environment?
Unknown Speaker
And yes, it’s very hard. And that’s a lot of my challenges. When I worked in residential, and residential, they came from like locked down facilities, and then went to a more cooperative living situation where they can learn job skills, they can learn, they go back to regular school, and then they learn their life skills. But after a certain amount of time, they transition back home, to be with their family. So in that transition, I help them with that transition in their family. But they’re going back to a family environment, where you have neighborhoods, you have people, you know, selling drugs, you have people not going to work, you see people going to school, you know, you have all this stuff going on. So you try to teach him as much to rise above your environment is basically going to inhibit you from being a successful student. So it has been hard for and I’ve seen many of my kids do so well in residential settings where there’s structure and then go home and write backwards.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah, yeah. And that’s hard because you want to keep the kid in the home. But at the same time, sometimes we know that that home is not it’s not the best invite, it doesn’t support the best habits.
Unknown Speaker
Is that conducive to where they want to go in life.
Dr. Connie Omari
Do you have any recommendations for how we can kind of get the family a little bit more involved?
Unknown Speaker
I think to continue being building that rapport, because you’ve already built that rapport with the child, and just building that rapport with the families. And I think that the older that I’ve gotten, I don’t have any children on my own. But the older that I’ve gotten, the more wisdom I’ve gotten. Like, I don’t know the answer, this is your child, this comes from you. So I know the answer. I’m not the expert on your child, but what I can do is guide you through the situation. So I’m gonna try to join with the parent and try to figure out, you know, what are your goals to see for your family? What is your golden child, like you have that power, you have more power than you realize? You can change it for your whole entire family by being supportive of your children?
Dr. Connie Omari
Yes, you can, one of the strategies that I’ve implemented was because I get it, like you said, a lot of times these families, they have three or four other children. So you know, it might be kind of hard to bring everybody in every week, you know, to a therapy session. But what one of the things that I found to be helpful is I’ll give the kids especially if they can, like, understand it, or if they really, I’ll give them like a worksheet recently, from what we’ve discussed that day. And I’ll just invite the parents to listen, you know, go up, ask the kid what we did, and have them bring it out and go over those techniques and skills together. So that Yeah, yeah. Yes. So, in a lot of times, it’s just inviting the family into and, you know, for me, I’ll like, don’t ask the parent. Hey, how was Jane? You know, how was Jane’s week? Is there anything you want me to talk about? And we have to get creative?
Unknown Speaker
Our families aren’t there. They already built up a protective factor there, that you’re already invading privacy and all that. So yeah, there has to be a way to figure out how to get them on board and keep them on board. And your leader?
Dr. Connie Omari
Absolutely. One of the fastest come to mind is when we all know that blacks, you know, are not utilized therapy services as much as nonblack, which is part of the reason why use the podcasts are likely to terminate therapy, less likely to, you know, get appropriate diagnosis is excetera. I think one of the issues that they have, so there’s clearly a distrust in for the therapy, Phil, and then you’ve got us and by us, I mean, black therapists who, who have obviously tapped into this distrust so that we can help these black families. But do you ever get a sense that you still have to kind of prove yourself like, you know, you look like them. But you you’ve gone a different way. You developed a few a different, you know, set, right, and then you try to bring that to them? Like, do you ever find any resistance when you do that?
Unknown Speaker
I think it’s in my younger, younger years. I did. Because of my age. Yeah, there was a big resistance because they didn’t feel like I knew anything, or I could give them anything of value. But that’s when I did have the most pushback back then. But right. I think as a more I would say middle seasons there.
Dr. Connie Omari
15 years Yeah.
Unknown Speaker
Push back anymore. Because my best thing is that because I know what it’s like to be somewhere and feel uncomfortable. Yeah, I grew up yeah, I’m comfortable. In one of the things is when when a family comes to me, that’s what I would want them to feel when they leave me to feel comfortable. Like this is somebody that I can talk to, and I don’t feel judged.
Dr. Connie Omari
Oh, I love it. Yeah, yeah. And yeah, I think that’s beautiful. I think it’s beautiful. And so for those that are hearing us, you know, we’re vulnerable to, like, we know that there’s some distrust, like we feel it, you know, that’s why LPC Chris does this podcast is like to, to support us, because we’re also nervous and uncomfortable in this work. So please, you know, understand that it’s a reciprocal thing. Yeah. And, you know, with the amount of work and effort that we put into getting these degrees and credentials and research and whatever avenue we choose, it’s only because we really want to help. Yes, indeed, yes. Are there any resources that you might would recommend to black families to get them to kind of be a little bit more open to go into therapy and bypassing some of the myths and assumptions that they might have?
Unknown Speaker
Google is our best friend and Googling some some therapy sessions. So read if you look up in your city or your town Looking up black therapists in your area and look at their right. If that makes what you would like for your family, go ahead and kind reaching out and contacting them. We there’s tons of books out there for black therapists out there we are more now that we everywhere. Yes, yes. And good side. Yes. Stuff. Internet. Yes, yeah. podcast like this, this hands because you know, yeah, because it’s not a lot. It’s not a lot. It used to not be as much information out there now. But your research on what it might look like finding somebody, you know, that had gone to therapy and getting referrals from that way. It can definitely help out. And I think just making the first step of just stepping out again on faith. Right, that you’ll find the right one pray for the right therapist or counselor and doctor.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And just to piggyback off of what you said, it’s a slow process, but the blank page of family therapy matters. A podcast also has a directory. So we’re going to start opening Yeah, we’re gonna start opening invitations for therapists to join us as well. So yeah, but whatever avenue you choose, we want to make sure that you know, we are here, and we are wanting to be advocates for you. We’re wanting to support you on your journeys. Is there any myth? Any anything in particular, you talked about, you know, the importance of understanding that you can be a Christian and a client of a counseling relationship? Is there any one myth that you just think is just really dominating? And you really just want to, to knock that out in terms of how black people black siblings view therapy?
Unknown Speaker
I think that’s a big myth is that mental health illness is the work of the devil.
Dr. Connie Omari
Oh, yes. Yes. Can you tell me more like what types of messages and stuff? Do we feed that pet thought process?
Unknown Speaker
I know for sure. Just again, growing up in the South, if you are have a schizophrenic diagnosis. That’s the work of the devil hearing voices and seeing things that are not there. That’s the work of the devil, being addicted to alcohol, drugs, work of the devil. In what we did not know is there is some chemical basis for all of these things that have occurred to people in depression is well depressed, like, what are you depressed over?
Dr. Connie Omari
You know, right? Right. Right,
Unknown Speaker
you know, right, how you work in a child be depressed when they don’t have any stress. So I’ve had that in one in being in the clinic setting. I remember walking into a, into a patient’s room, and I was born, she really doesn’t want to talk to you, but very, very faith based. Her husband’s a preacher, and she’s not gonna want to talk to you because you’re she knows you’re a therapist, but you kind of keep talking to work, you talk. While walking, I made sure I gave her enough room the space in a room or wasn’t close to her or anything like that, too. So she can feel comfortable with me right in her space.
Dr. Connie Omari
Right? All right.
Unknown Speaker
I told her who I was. And I wanted to, you know, invade her space on her so comfortable, but she had tears all in her eyes. And she looked at me and she says, I’m not going to call what I have depression. But I’m just a little sad.
Dr. Connie Omari
Oh, boohoo cried the entire, the whole she’s taking me out there.
Unknown Speaker
Every time I get called door she has more stuff to say. A very slow is this. Very much true that she needed medication for clinical depression, because she had a medical situation that caused her to cause her to be sick. And it was not doing very well for her mental health. So just doing a very slow sheet. She didn’t want anything struggling no strong medication or anything like that. But we did get her something to help her maintain. Especially going to work she’s just having her cry and being able to make a full day at work was what we were going for. And she was absolutely to do that.
Dr. Connie Omari
Absolutely. I mean, I think we over emphasize the diagnosis, you know, I mean, sad and depressed. Me, I’m gonna keep it real, it’s the same thing. Especially if every time you walk in away, she’s giving you more information to support her sadness. Yeah, she’s probably outlining all the criteria that qualify for depression. So, you know, and statistically, and I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again, throughout the course of your life, anywhere from I believe I read, most recently, nine out of 10. People will will classify as some level of mental illness. Yes, you know, even if the same xiety Or even if it’s greed, you know, if you’ve lost I mean, come on, we all lose the life of people that we care about, and things like that. So, speaking of grief, I don’t know if you really want to go into anything like that. Yes, yes, yes. Because you definitely know that that story, or that feedback, yeah.
Unknown Speaker
Grief, and I’ve had grief for open, because we have we see grief as just a death, but it can be patient, it can be as Yeah, that way. But it can be promoted. And you know, you’re excited, you’re happy. But then you have to learn a whole brand new job. And I guess a transition that takes time. And that’s actually a loss. But it’s again that same time. Yes. But I am personally have dealt with and wrestled with three, four. My biggest loss was I lost my brother, when I was 14, I was very young, and he was very young. And it just having to navigate being a teenager, and grieving and loss, and young adult life and how that how that loss has kind of shaken a lot of my social, social relationships and even mental health. So we don’t as a culture, we don’t allow people to grieve, as an American. as a, as a black American, we don’t allow people, we always look at people as when they show up looking people as them being strong or weak or another thing and it’s not like he’s just trying to make the day by day.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yes, yeah. So thank you for your vulnerability. And you know, it’s it’s in, feed back into that. And I’m just, I’m dealing with the loss of my dad as well. I don’t know if you’re aware of that. But that was in October, but I’m an adult. And when when I hear you say, you know, it’s funny, you mentioned 14, and I remember, I’m assuming we’re about the same age, because you mentioned growing up in the 80s. For me, the words were cool points, like, you know, like you had to be cool as a 14 year old, like, yeah, so if you cry or anything like that, was that you? Really we did? Yes. You know, we had this image to live up to Yep. And you’re dealing so you had to navigate dealing with something so emotionally heavy?
Unknown Speaker
Yes, very much, very much. And this is probably the reason why I am in the field. Because when I say earlier, I’ve been made uncomfortable. And that’s one thing that for my clients and wherever I go even outside of the professional in my personal life, I want people to feel comfortable around me because again, I know what it’s like to feel uncomfortable, uncomfortable. So much stuff going on. Yes, trauma going on and judgment that you know, people miss out on the very heart of it all. In sitting in people’s hurt in past that I did not have that opportunity as a child to have anybody sit with me in that pain. So now as a therapist, if you is solid, it becomes solid. I just I’m comfortable with the silence.
Dr. Connie Omari
Yeah. Yeah, I think yes, families Listen, we hurt, okay, we got stuff going on. And, you know, if somebody is grieving with something, or somebody who’s having a difficult time for you to tell them to get over it, or, you know, God makes no mistakes that way. Please, just don’t ever say that one ever. Like, these things are really insensitive. And I’m just thinking it’s hard because I’m just thinking about, you know, a friend of mine and she’s also a therapist, but she lost her daughter and I just, I couldn’t like I just I was like, immobilized in pain for her. Literally, when I just remember hugging her as she started to speak and I don’t know if it was because of the connection that I had with her or because as a therapist, I knew she didn’t know what to say. Right? You know, but she just felt awful. It was almost like the burden here she was having lost her daughter. Boom. And she was welcoming all these people in she felt like she needed to make us Okay. Yep. And I interrupted her. And I told her, I said, you don’t have to say anything. You know, I just want to be here. And the relief that she experienced. Like she just, I mean, it was almost like she was like, thank God. Yes. You know. So, so sometimes silence is silence is definitely it’s okay. Yes. Yeah. Yes, it is. Love silence.
Unknown Speaker
Yeah. In the presence of somebody that you feel safe in?
Dr. Connie Omari
Yes, yes. Yes. And that’s what it boils down to. So that variables, we got to be safe. You know, I’m saying we got to create these safe spaces for people when they’re going through things, because these are people we love. And you can’t fix everything. You know, I mean, I’m sorry. But if somebody is deceased, that is it. Their disease? Nothing you say it’s gonna bring them back. So don’t say anything. Don’t say anything. Right?
No, like, shut up. Ask them you know, do you need, you know, what? How can I help? You know, I can, you know, can I get you some dinner? And I can I help you with the arrangements? Yeah. What kind of flowers? Do you you know, do things to make their life brighter? Yes, easier. Exactly.
Unknown Speaker
Yes, it is. We we want in that church members. We want to be very prolific in what people who are in laws but true.
Dr. Connie Omari
You’d be making it worse.
LPC Chris
Or I really can’t remember what you said. Right? I just told you out. Yeah. Yes.
Dr. Connie Omari
Oh, well, gosh, Crystal, thank you for your, your vulnerability on this. I want to just switch it well, quickly to a part of the show that we call what’s good. And what’s good is a part of a show where we give a hypothetical situation about something that a client could elicit or could potentially be going through. Okay. All right. And I like to ask her if I so here goes. Meet Veronica. Veronica is in a marriage where she feels unloved and unsupported. She wants to get marital counseling, but she has not addressed her own demons. She’s afraid to try individual counseling because she heard that counseling was for crazy people. How would you advise her?
Unknown Speaker
Just what her What is her goal? And if she wants it, Veronica wants to make some changes in her life. Would she rather fit with what she’s got going on right now? A witch you want to make things better. So in order to make the changes that she wants in her own life, there’s got to be the steps forward towards coming outside of her boundaries, coming out in battling those myths again, about counseling and therapy. Finding someone who has gone to therapy, finding a couple who has gone to, to marriage counseling or even individual counseling, finding someone and talking to them about their what their fears are, because there’s pretty sure there’s somebody else that had the same fear. And just finding who those people are in her life, or even outside of her life that she can just bounce ideas off of so she can gain that confidence to go. But if you want your life to stay stagnant and the way it is they don’t do anything. If you want life to get better, then make those first steps and come on out the comfort zone.
Dr. Connie Omari
Love it. Love it. Well LPC Chris, it’s been a pleasure interviewing you today. You from the bottom of my heart. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Well, again, thank you. Oh, wait, before we go. Get naked. How can my listeners get more of you?
Unknown Speaker
Okay, the podcast is called Get naked therapist and it’s catchy. T is Ec KIDTHERAPIST so let’s get naked therapist. Yeah, I am on the anchor app in streams on Pocket Casts Google Apple breaker, a Stitcher and so it is for social workers, therapists all those who work in the social services field. And it’s called Get naked because it kind of throws but it takes you know explores the good the bad and the ugly parts of the field that we love so much so we get down to the decade truth all while trying to find out what our ID is in this field. So love that is that is the reason why I saying that and you can find that again on anchor and some other listening streams.
Dr. Connie Omari
Love it. Love it. Love it. Thank you LPC Chris. It has been a pleasure.
Unknown Speaker
Thank you so much. It’s been a pleasure. I appreciate you for contacting me absolutely on your show.
Dr. Connie Omari
Absolutely. Awesome. It was a pleasure to have you.
LPC Chris
Take care. All right,
Dr. Connie Omari
Okay, bye.